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Re: “Zinke's plan for sage grouse could be disastrous

Good old ZINKE does it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Cj Rolphe on 08/17/2017 at 1:15 PM

Re: “We can deport Audemio Orozco-Ramirez. But should we?

how do know the rape thing is real? he is inherently dishonest, breaking immigration law. i dont believe anything he says.

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Posted by Tallie Jones on 08/11/2017 at 4:41 PM

Re: “WWGD? The religious case for fighting climate change

Now don't get me wrong, I think the sentiment that, "God will fix it," is one of the worst sentiments to have as a religious person. But ironically enough the idea that climate change is anthropogenic (predominantly human-caused) is an article of faith given climate science today. None of their models from the past few decades have shown themselves to be accurate, and even predicted Global Cooling in the 1970's that would kill us all. So the 'consensus' of X many scientists whose entire labs are paid for by government interests doesn't mean that human CO2 emissions are going to boil the planet.

Here's the argument you should have made: In Genesis 2, God designs Eden and first tasks Adam to name all the creatures, and then basically appoints him (and later Eve) as the caretakers of all life. It was literally mankind's first God-given responsibility beyond multiplying. This mythological understanding is basically what makes Western societies so damn concerned about the environment because it is our responsibility to help tend it.

Now what forms that caretaking takes, such as foresting and culling, so often appalls ignorant environmentalists who think that cutting down any tree or killing any creature is destroying nature. Humans are remarkably good at increasing or decreasing the biodiversity of areas should it fit their inclinations. The trick is to create policies that line up human interests with natural interests, like bringing back foresting industry to Montana with guidelines preventing damaging practices like clearcutting and instating new policies like seedling replacement, local companies, and controlled burns.

The end point is that everyone would like to have a healthy environment, but some practices are simply more practical than others. Seedling replacement is entirely doable - switching to solar-only electricity overnight is not. Solutions have to work economically as well as environmentally, otherwise they might as well implore God to 'fix them' instead.

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Posted by Garret Morrill on 08/11/2017 at 12:38 AM

Re: “We can deport Audemio Orozco-Ramirez. But should we?

Is he a citizen of this country? No. Did he illegally enter this country? Yes. Is he currently dwelling illegally in this country? Yes. Then he should be deported. It really is that simple. The arguments that, "But he's been here for soooooo long!" or "He's not a violent criminal," mean nothing. Does time make his illegal residency here magically legal? No. He may not be a violent criminal, but he is committing a crime against the American government and its rightful citizens by violating its border and utilizing resources he has no right to.

This juxtaposition of his rape at the hands of other criminals while under arrest has absolutely no bearing on the fact that had our laws been executed properly he would have spent the last twenty years not inside the USA. In fact, one could very well argue that had we enforced our laws when he first entered this country, he most certainly would not have been raped in those circumstances because he would never have ended up in an American jail. My, it looks like one side of this argument is starting to have the virtuous upper hand here.

Perhaps ICE doesn't just deport everyone at once when they catch them is because their resources are finite and previous administrations have tied their hands to do their jobs. Had we deported this man 20 years ago, he would have set up his life as a Mexican citizen and wouldn't have to be uprooted - wow! Another moral argument for swifter deportations! We wouldn't have this 'underclass of unprotected' in this country if we deport them all back to where they can enjoy all the rights and their citizenship in the countries they actually belong to.

Illegal migrants are not Americans. Just being here for a long time doesn't make you an American any more than me sitting on your couch and eating your food makes me a part of your family. The writer of this article obviously has no understanding of how immigration to this country has evolved over this country's history, or how their concept of some kind of borderless world where everyone is an American if only they stick around long enough is absolute nonsense that never has been a concept in any reasonable body politic.

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Posted by Garret Morrill on 08/11/2017 at 12:16 AM

Re: “Looking a TIF horse in the mouth: Is the MRA getting our money's worth at the Marriott?

Disagreeing with the author of the article here...

I see no real downside to the now-demolished Merc property ending up as a vacant lot. That $3.6 million of taxpayer money could do a lot of interesting things there. A park, a market, a community garden, a rentable/leasable venue, a food cart farm, etc. Missoula sure doesn't need another Drumpf Tower.

1 like, 0 dislikes
Posted by Jess Dafax on 08/01/2017 at 12:20 PM

Re: “Steve Daines takes the easy way out—again—on health care

jr2jr2, The figures I found at did not include subsidies. You should be able to go through the site whether or not you qualify for a subsidy. Even if you are 60 years old, there are plans available at for less than $2,207 in Missoula County and with the same deductible. If you are in your 60s, then you need to be aware that the repeal and replace bill passed by the House would have raised premiums drastically higher for anyone that age who does not yet qualify for Medicare. You really should check it out.

Posted by David Crisp on 07/28/2017 at 3:57 PM

Re: “Steve Daines takes the easy way out—again—on health care

@jr2jr - I like how you get all huffy and indignant when someone uses your own ranting to characterize you, and then turn around and make all sorts of assumptions about them yourself.

You're obviously a classic Trumpsky tea-bagger - one of life's perennial losers, looking for some way to blame everyone else for your own failings. All that hard work you brag about - I notice it was all for family and neighbors. Did you ever ask them whether they thought you were a good worker, or whether they just put up with you because they felt sorry for you? I suspect you wouldn't like the answers.

2 likes, 1 dislike
Posted by claudius on 07/28/2017 at 1:32 PM

Re: “Steve Daines takes the easy way out—again—on health care

RE: David Crisp... I CAN"T go through (Obamacare) because I actually work for a living and make more than their subsidy allows (but not much more) . So it doesn't mean shit what their policy costs, because I have to buy ins. myself through someone like BC/BS if I want it. I am sure you are quite familiar with if you are getting your ins. free or subsidized. And BC/BS's lowest premium for me and my wife (no pre-existing conditions) would be $2207 a month or $26,484 a year for 2017. Can I be any more clearer?? Plus they are asking for a 23% increase in MT next year.

1 like, 1 dislike
Posted by jr2jr2000 on 07/28/2017 at 1:10 PM

Re: “Steve Daines takes the easy way out—again—on health care

RE: David Crisp... evidently you didn't read closely. I'm NOT paying for insurance. I don't have insurance again for the 3rd straight year because it is to damn high. BC/BS last November, their cheapest policy for my wife and I was $2207 a month with a 6000 deductible. I have the paperwork right in front of me. A piece of shit policy, while many capable of working, but won't, get medicaid for FREE with a lower deductible. The year before Obamacare we paid $435 a month with only a $1000 ded. Evidently most people who read the Missoula Independent love Obamacare because someone else is paying for their premium. If you were in my situation - self employed - and not being able to afford ins. you would be pissed off just like me. MOST liberals are a bunch of hypocrites who preach tolerance, yet are the most intolerant people I know.

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Posted by jr2jr2000 on 07/28/2017 at 1:05 PM

Re: “Steve Daines takes the easy way out—again—on health care

jr2jr2, I'm just curious about that $2,200 monthly premium you are paying. I just looked at the site and couldn't find a plan even close to as much as what you are paying. Either I'm missing something, or you need to take a closer look.

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Posted by David Crisp on 07/27/2017 at 10:28 PM

Re: “Steve Daines takes the easy way out—again—on health care

@ claudius... I like how you call me a freeloader when you have no idea who I am or my background. Well let me tell you, I was born on a ranch and have worked since I was 12, not chores, but hard work. Also worked for local ranchers from age 14 to 18, and worked at my uncles gas station 20 hours on weekends too in fall and winter, and saved my money. By time I went to college (1976)I had enough saved up to pay for all 4 years of college on my own and had money left over. So much for a freeloader. Liberals of your irk are the scum of the earth, the ones who demonize, call names, and run down people when you have NO IDEA about the person you are trying to put down. You are the most intolerant type on earth, while at the same time you preach tolerance. Hypocrite

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Posted by jr2jr2000 on 07/27/2017 at 7:06 PM

Re: “Steve Daines takes the easy way out—again—on health care

@jr2jr - No, the biggest crap sandwich in history is the one served up by ignorant tools who let congenital liars like Trumpsky do their thinking for them.

That policy you claim you had before the ACA was implemented was part of that same crap sandwich. It was garbage going in, and you were too stupid to realize it. If you're looking at a policy for $2200/mo w/ $6k deductible, you obviously haven't gotten any smarter, either.

People like you, claiming that you "work your asses off" are always the worst freeloaders in the system. You want to offer shoddy work with junk material, and charge like it's gold-plated. Then you whinge and moan because people don't want your crap. I paid for your "education", and obviously got cheated. I want my money back!

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Posted by claudius on 07/27/2017 at 1:27 PM

Re: “Steve Daines takes the easy way out—again—on health care

Thanks to Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Baucus, etc., the American people had the biggest crap sandwich in history shoved down our throats - Obamacare. It is such a mess and on top of it when you give people "entitlements" they are impossible to get rid of. I doubt it can even be fixed in the slightest. It is too late. The year before Obamacare my wife and I were paying $435 a month and had a $1000 deductible. Since it took affect, our rates have gone up so much each year that we have been unable to afford ins. for 3 years. This year they wanted $2207 a month with a $6,000 deductible. That is $26,484 a year or would be 54% of my net income (self employed).

So people like myself who have worked their asses off all their lives, can no longer afford it, while for example, people like band members in Missoula who don't work (only play music) and make $16,000 a year, or people capable of working but sit at home on their asses, those people get FREE and better insurance than I would get if I paid the $2207 a month. This is insane. Millions of hard working people like myself got screwed over big time, so others who contribute nothing (even though capable) get FREE insurance. Obamacare is worse than socialism. A distribution of wealth from those who work their asses off to those who chose not to. I am not talking about people who are unable to work or to care for themselves (I have no gripes there), I am talking about freeloaders like many of you reading this.

3 likes, 19 dislikes
Posted by jr2jr2000 on 07/27/2017 at 1:15 PM

Re: “In Idaho, a hunter finds a sad state of affairs for bears

A similar drive-through "bear park" existed in West Glacier. It did not end well for the bears, the owner, nor the neighbors. An ugly deal. When will people learn.

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Posted by Jill Munson on 07/22/2017 at 10:41 AM

Re: “In Idaho, a hunter finds a sad state of affairs for bears

Matt Martens, you had me until you determined that the bear had "an unmistakable glint of shame in his eyes." We don't know that the bear felt shame, as it has never lived in a culture where shame and blame are used to manipulate and control others. It is an installed emotion (typically by religion, but parents do their share). Perhaps the bear was just dulled by his diet and imprisonment. It is disrespectful to subscribe human emotions to other species, especially those from the wild. I would guess it was you feeling the shame and projecting it onto the bear.
Patty Bowers: We are a sociopathic society and are doing the same thing to millions of human citizens caught in the 'drug wars' and the oppression of poverty. It's sad, and I agree this should not be happening to any wild animal. Let's also look at what we are doing to ourselves with the industrial prison complex. - especially since it became big business instead of being run at the local level by law enforcement folk who likely lived with and know their prisoners.

5 likes, 2 dislikes
Posted by BigLover on 07/22/2017 at 8:38 AM

Re: “In Idaho, a hunter finds a sad state of affairs for bears


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Posted by Cj Rolphe on 07/20/2017 at 10:28 PM

Re: “In Idaho, a hunter finds a sad state of affairs for bears

This is revolting and evil. Who would imprison wild animals n deny them their entire life of being w their own families in the wild n choosing to do what they want, where they want. Only a greedy heartless Sociopath would do this to another living being. This should be stopped IMMEDIATELY and all the animals turned over to good, responsible sanctuaries w miles of acres for the animals ro roam.
This makes me sick! And angry! STOP IT NOW!!
Patty Bowers

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Posted by Patricia Bowers on 07/20/2017 at 6:39 PM

Re: “In Idaho, a hunter finds a sad state of affairs for bears

As overcrowded as that place is, and the animals being fed such garbage, it sounds to me like some *responsible* adults (Humane Society, State fish and game, ag department ?) should be called in and shut the place down.

Places like that are inhumane and should be closed and not permitted.

But wait, this particular "attraction" is in Idaho after all, so it's OK, so long as somebody is making money from it.

6 likes, 1 dislike
Posted by alf on 07/20/2017 at 12:23 PM

Re: “Looking a TIF horse in the mouth: Is the MRA getting our money's worth at the Marriott?

This whole thing smelled fishy to me, right from the get-go, and -- recycling a line I loved by a TV talking head referring to the repuglikans' "replacement" of ObummerCare -- "like a dead fish, the longer it lays aground, the worse it stinks".

Never trust a real estate developer/speculator -- and let's not forget that's what Drumpf and his corrupt family are.)

Me thinks one of the last things Missoula needs is another chain hotel, where the profits go out of state to the korporate executives and investors, and all that's left here are crappy-paying service jobs.

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Posted by alf on 07/20/2017 at 12:05 PM

Re: “Looking a TIF horse in the mouth: Is the MRA getting our money's worth at the Marriott?

It's a good thing award-winning journalist D.Brooks is asking tough questions here because the Independent's color-clashing ads, scrolling news feed, and style guide that doesn't include capitalizing nouns which will be later abbreviated (TIF) have left me mentally decimated.

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Posted by Charming Charlie on 07/20/2017 at 12:01 PM

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