PS. Actually, only about 10% of the population of Montana hunts. The biggest segment of the wildlife recreating Montana population is non-consumptive neither hunting nor fishing; about 26%. http://www.census.gov/prod/2013pubs/fhw11-…
I don't believe I have expressed hatred anywhere in any of my numerous posts here. I'm just trying to figure out this hunting thing. I don't see hunting as a glorious pastime that should be elevated or sanctified. It is not extra special. But that is not an expression of hate. But I would have to say I've gotten a lot of what feels like snarkiness back for that. It feels like hunters are just really on edge about this discussion- a hair trigger away of getting really angry just for having it.
all right Mr. Larry. If you are up for an additional disscussion, here it is. You are correct when it comes to elk and white tails that there is no shortage. But the state game agencies have artificially manipulated the populations so that this will be true by killing and suppressing the native carnivore populations. Hunters are the main push to keep wolf numbers down or eliminated entirely. They are a main push to kill ever more bears and cougars. Where I live, elk are in such numbers that they are becoming the new over-grazers. (killing the males does nothing to regulate that) Does this bother you? Also, I have observed in the last 20 years that as elk hunting licenses have increased, the size of the stags has decreased. They are lucky to live past 4 years old. Does this bother you?
I live in hunting country and have found enough carcasses that were not recovered to question just how many hunters are ethical and make clean kills. I question how many shots are made while the shooter was sober. But I digress- that is not a comment on anyone who has posted a message here. Beyond that, I would say that rendering the carcass to human use is not a skill but a chore- just work. And you may rest easy about my personal food choices made in no small part because of the horrors like the ones you detail that pass for modern animal agriculture. Most of the monoculture crops you also describe are used to feed this system and not people (where most of the calories produced go to waste as polluting emissions that are changing and destroying the wild places we both love) It is funny/strange that faced with the modern Agricultural industrial complex, my choice is to eat low on the food chain and yours is to do your own killing.
When you say you don't like the kill, I have to disagree. I think you either do like it or possibly you don't dislike it enough because you still do it even when other choices are available. That point has been my interest in this thread to which I have not yet gotten a satisfactory answer.
Not to belabor the point but wildlife photography and hunting involve the exact same skill set. In addition however, not only does the photographer have to find the animal and draw near with stealth and often spend a lot of time in observation before hand, but the light has to be right, the focus has to catch the eye, there needs to be an eye glint. I disagree about which is more difficult. This is not to say there aren't poor photographers. Just like there are poor hunters. Difference is with photography, there are no woundings, no suffering, and no death.
"The person taking pictures never truly relates to the environment he/she enjoys yet makes value judgements on us who do." is an egocentric and greatly erroneous statement that implies that only people seeking to kill wildlife are capable naturalists with keen observing eyes. Could not be more wrong.
I don't meant to be offensive, I'm just trying to figure it out. Dorian, I can appreciate that at least you are under no illusion about meat being a dead animal. What you are saying though is that in that enlightenment and despite the killing taking a physical and emotional toll -to use your words- you do it anyway. You don't have to eat meat. That statement may just hang in the air like a forbidden idea. I will say it again- humans do not have to eat meat to live. If it is a burden to do this killing, which for the morally conscious among you, it appears to be, why choose to do it when it is strictly a choice you have power over? I think the distaste for my comments here is the sense of discomfort that question raises.
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