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Re: “Success story

I am glad to see the author recommends several means of reducing conflict between livestock/humans and grizzlies. These are valuable ideas that everyone living in grizzly country should be implementing.

That, though, is where the value in this article ends. Objections to grizzly delisting are about hunting, yes, but they are also about much more. First, the author is correct that the population has remained stable. That's right. It is stable but not growing. In fact, the GYE grizzly population has not grown since the early 2000s, while mortality is increasing. True again that grizzlies are re-inhabiting territories. This is not due to population expansion but to elimination of key food supplies, forcing grizzlies to range farther in search of food. Other significant non-hunting related objections include that fact that the population is genetically isolated from other grizzly populations, grizzlies have one of the slowest reproduction rates in North America, and that it is so difficult for hunters to tell the difference between a male and female grizzly that the Montana regulation states: "Season will close within 24 hours of reaching either the female quota or the male quota because sex identification of individual bears is nearly impossible in the field."

So yeah, the furor about grizzly delisting is a lot more than just an emotional reaction to hunting.

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Posted by Ida Michelle Bean on 07/07/2016 at 10:57 PM

Re: “Best Category We Forgot

What about best martial arts dojo? There's at least 15 locations in town. Best bowling ally should be replaced.

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Posted by Bradley Allen Lehuta on 07/07/2016 at 10:26 PM

Re: “The Payne Family Native American Center

The show was awesome! I will go again as soon as I can, and take all my family and friends. Worth much more than the cost. Thanks UM! However – the info here in the Indy is not correct, or at least not complete. You are required to get tickets BEFORE you go to the planetarium. Get them online at Eventbrite, see the Universities Planetarium web site for the link.

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Posted by Happy customer on 07/07/2016 at 9:00 PM

Re: “Best Category We Forgot

Best architect
Best interior designer
Best industrial designer
Best furniture maker
Best electrician
Best plumber
Best roofing contractor
Best audio/visual store

Posted by Becky Broeder on 07/07/2016 at 7:39 PM

Re: “Best Massage Therapist

Congratulations, Farrah! You are truly the best. -Niki Harrison

Posted by Niki Harrison on 07/07/2016 at 7:26 PM

Re: “Best Writer

If you had that early issue, you would see that it was an excerpt quoted from a JLB book, not an interview. "The Two Erics" chose which passages to publish in the independent, and they told me that they thought it was funny that the excerpt they chose was the first time the F word was published in their paper. I cannot stress enough that the F word is not part of my father's vocabulary. He wasn't even aware of which passages Eric and Eric had decided to publish.

Posted by Pamala Burke on 07/07/2016 at 6:35 PM

Re: “Best Writer

This is Pamala Burke. Oh my gosh, please retract, retract, retract. I was misquoted. It was the founders of the independent Eric Cushman and Eric Johnson who told me that they were the first to introduce the F word by publishing an excerpt from my dads book. My father never speaks using profanity. I hope you will please issue a retraction. My father may write foul language for dialogue for his villainess characters, but he never swears so he would never use that word in his speech or in an interview.

Posted by Pamala Burke on 07/07/2016 at 6:17 PM

Re: “Lines disappear

Great writeup! They will also be performing with Snailmate (from AZ), Wormwood, Krillhead and Mr. Soap at the Real Lounge on Monday the 11th

Posted by Taylor McAnally on 07/07/2016 at 4:41 PM

Re: “City hall

I'd like to see that information.

In regards to your house, well, you're lucky. I figure on the $8.05 nickel insult minimum wage that gives me $332 in earnings (if I get 40 hours) I might get one of those when I hit Social Security age. Since taxes have gone up 15.3% over the past 4 years in Missoula, however, I'm not sure I'd want to buy it here.

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Posted by Greg Strandberg on 07/07/2016 at 4:28 PM

Re: “City hall

Well then, the fact he's on a public employee insurance program changes everything - lets post his cat scans, blood tests, X-rays, heck, even pictures of his waste samples online so everyone can get a good look-see where their hard-earned moola is going...this kind of Trump-logic aside, I've never before witnessed such an abnormal obsession by one to invade another's medical privacy.

Don't have time for such, myself; I'm desperately trying to sell my house due to the fact the city is on the verge of ruin and that any day now I-90 will be clogged with refugees trying to get to more prosperous Great Falls and Butte.

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Posted by Joedixon1 on 07/07/2016 at 4:26 PM

Re: “Packraft paradise

I am going on this exact trip in two weeks. Did you really start the float at the confluence of Youngs and Babcock Creeks ? That would be great. Could I contact you regarding this portion of the float ? I'm not finding a lot of info on where to start.

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Posted by Gasguy on 07/07/2016 at 3:35 PM

Re: “Best Farmers Market Vendor

Awesome! If I wasn't right next to you every Saturday I'd still come for one of your sandwiches! Mmm... That tapenade!

Posted by ArthurWayne on 07/07/2016 at 3:34 PM

Re: “Best Category We Forgot

how about

best participatory dance option --
there's Missoula Folklore Society
Missoula Sons of Norway
International Folk Dance
Lolo Square Dance Center
just to name a few

Posted by Vicki Watson on 07/07/2016 at 3:07 PM

Re: “Success story

Couldn't have said it better myself, Laura!

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Posted by Debby Nelson on 07/07/2016 at 2:22 PM

Re: “City hall

I'd love to see some reports on what the mayor's fat-reduction surgery cost. We pay for his healthcare, after all.

It'll be exciting to see what our failed mayor plans to do in 2017 as well. I hope he doesn't run again, but we know the imbecile is so lacking in skills that getting 20 or whatever years in with the City is his ticket to a pension. I'm sure the Missoulian wouldn't take him back, as that paper's failing as bad as the city is.

$88 million in debt the city is in, yet we clamor for more bonding for more pet projects. The recent reports on the library and the Merc is especially interesting. Probably the same backrooms used on that move as were used for the $7 million handout to the mall.

Boy, we've got problems here in the garden city. Look at the tax situation a decade ago. 60% less than it was now. Well, are you happy with what you've gotten for your money...do you even know where it all goes?

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Posted by Greg Strandberg on 07/07/2016 at 2:13 PM

Re: “City hall

So sayeth the failed primary candidate who tops out with 18% of a legislative district primary candidate. Aside from the continued boorishness about the Mayor's physical condition (and most of us learned its rude to talk publically about such things in kindergarten), he might have some credibility in continually critiquing the careers of others if he had an actual one of his own other than Internet trolling.

Equally irritating is the need to safeguard public offices against overgrown paranoid adolescents hopped up on Fox News who think the rest of the world was put here to steal from and deprive them. A few decades past, anyone who showed up at a government office and started up with baboon-like behavior invited a swift clot to the head by a police billy club and a night in the greybar hotel. Reversion to that might teach some manners to those whose parents evidently never found time to do so.

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Posted by Joedixon1 on 07/07/2016 at 2:07 PM

Re: “Success story

Delisting the Yellowstone-area grizzlies is premature...and trophy hunting them is out of the question. Bears face an uncertain future with critical changes in their traditional food supply--due in part to climate change; with obstacles to habitat expansion and connectivity to other bear populations; with the possibility of immediate trophy hunting when too many conflict-related mortalities already occur; and grizzly bears have one of the slowest rates of reproduction among terrestrial mammals due to the late age of first motherhood (4-9 yrs.), small average litter size, and the long interval between litters (3 or more years). If humans want to be proud of something, they should show some restraint and humility, learn to co-exist with bears, and refrain from "managing" grizzlies for trophy mounts and bearskin rugs.

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Posted by Other Nations on 07/07/2016 at 1:17 PM

Re: “Success story

We've seen only too often what happens when Agency workers, who seem to view trophy hunters as their most highly valued constituents, push "pride" in the "success" of an Endangered Species "recovery." Immediately, the states fast-track hunting legislation, envisioning the millions of dollars rolling in; hikers are prosecuted for freeing eagles from traps; eagles are poisoned by farmers, and habitat protections are lost as public lands are sold off to developers.

"Recovery" isn't just a numbers criteria, and this is wisely spelled out in the ESA: the conditions which caused extirpation in the first place must be redressed. Not mitigated, not compromised - redressed.

We have shown that it takes much longer than two or three generations for humans to change their attitudes about predators. Wolves continue to be reviled wherever they have met population criteria only for "recovery;" mountain lions and bears "managed" as "game," foxes and coyotes persecuted relentlessly, year round, with poisons (Wildlife Services), traps and hounds (Wisconsin). These policies do nothing to mitigate, let alone redress, our short-sighted attitudes toward apex predators and the intrinsic value they hold in healthy and resilient ecosystems.

If numbers were the sole criteria for "revovery," then we could discuss removal of Federal protections. But it isn't, and the framers of the ESA, our nation's most popular, and successful environmental legislation, wisely addressed that. If money is your argument, wolves ALIVE have brought in more money - $35 Million annually, and climbing - to the GYA than ALL WOLF HUNTING IN ALL STATES, COMBINED since protections were removed. USFWS statistics continue to report MORE federal, state and local income from wildlife watchers than ALL HUNTING AND FISHING COMBINED.

However, money, numbers and habitat each represent a fragment of the definition for recovery, and until perhaps the most important fragment of that definition - human attitude - changes, then there is more than enough evidence to argue for PERMANENT PROTECTIONS for any ESA listed species.

Laura Menefee
Wildlife Conservation
Sierra Club, John Muir Chapter

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Posted by L Menefer on 07/07/2016 at 1:04 PM

Re: “Success story

We've seen only too often what hapoens when Agency workers, who seem to view trophy hunters as their most highly valued constituents, push "pride" in the "success" of an Endangered Species "recovery." Immediately, the states fast-track hunting legislation, envisioning the millions of dollars rolling in; hikers are prosecuted for freeing eagles from traps; eagles are poisoned by farmers, and habitat protections are lost as public lands are sold off to developers.

"Recovery" isn't just a numbers criteria, and this is wisely spelled out in the ESA: the conditions which caused extirpation in the first place must be redressed. Not mitigated, not compromised - redressed.

We have shown that it takes much longer than two or three generations for humans to change their attitudes about predators. Wolves continue to be reviled wherever they have met population criteria only for "recovery;" mountain lions and bears "managed" as "game," foxes and coyotes persecuted relentlessly, year round, with poisons (Wildlife Services), traps and hounds (Wisconsin). These policies do nothing to mitigate, let alone redress, our short-sighted attitudes toward apex predators and the intrinsic value they hold in healthy and resilient ecosystems.

If numbers were the sole criteria for "revovery," then we could discuss removal of Federal protections. But it isn't, and the framers of the ESA, our nation's most popular, and successful environmental legislation, wisely addressed that. If money is your argument, wolves ALIVE have brought in more money - $35 Million annually, and climbing - to the GYA than ALL WOLF HUNTING IN ALL STATES, COMBINED since protections were removed. USFWS statistics continue to report MORE federal, state and local income from wildlife watchers than ALL HUNTING AND FISHING COMBINED.

However, money, numbers and habitat each represent a fragment of the definition for recovery, and until perhaps the most important fragment of that definition - human attitude - changes, then there is more than enough evidence to argue for PERMANENT PROTECTIONS for any ESA listed species.

Laura Menefee
Wildlife Conservation
Sierra Club, John Muir Chapter

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Posted by L Menefer on 07/07/2016 at 1:02 PM

Re: “Success story

Agreed!!

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Posted by Debby Nelson on 07/07/2016 at 12:47 PM

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