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Re: “Wolverines

"The Duke" ought to do some fact checking before he makes a fool of himself next time, and use sources other than Karen Budd-Falen (queen of the hypocrites) and the likes of the National Cattlemen's Association or the Rocky Mountain Legal Foundation, all of whom are capital "L" liars, whoring for the well-monied corporate establishment.

Attorneys (actually their clients) can only be reimbursed if they win the case, and then it's capped at, I believe, $125/hour -- which sounds like a lot, but for attorney's fees, that's really a pretty modest amount -- well below what most lawyers charge.

Posted by alf on 08/27/2014 at 2:53 PM

Re: “Bobcat fur farm for Roy?

This is disgusting! What kind of people would agree with having a fur farm anywhere? Faux fur looks the same, is just as warm, and didn't cause any animals to be beaten to death, bludgeoned, hanged, or anally or vaginally electrocuted. There is no excuse for fur.

Posted by Michelle Kretzer on 08/27/2014 at 9:33 AM

Re: “Bobcat fur farm for Roy?

Animals have feelings, hearts, and minds just like we do. They have an interest in living their own lives just like we do. They were not put here for us to use and abuse as we please. I hope this cruel proposed fur farm never sees the light of day.

Posted by Lucy Post on 08/27/2014 at 9:27 AM

Re: “Bobcat fur farm for Roy?

Gotta love the 'my way or the highway' attitude with these enviro-nutcases. No wonder so many in the state hate them, no wonder the legislature is always going Republican, and no wonder they never get what they want - how many of you would want to spend a day alone in a room with them?

They'll never make a deal because they can never compromise. They'll get nothing, and you'll never hear the end of it.

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Posted by Greg Strandberg on 08/27/2014 at 8:27 AM

Re: “Bobcat fur farm for Roy?

Stop the madness once and for all. Jamming animals in cage from birth until the day the die a horrifying and painful and terrifying death is morally unacceptable. Period.

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Posted by Suzanne Carlson on 08/27/2014 at 8:15 AM

Re: “Etc.

If the team's "investments/gifts" in Indian Country are sincere, then the name will change. If the name is not changed, then the rest is window dressing, and indeed, as the 1491s so aptly put it, "Manhattan for beads." Mr. Snyder, we didn't just fall off the turnip truck yesterday.

Posted by Marsha Rose Katz on 08/26/2014 at 8:29 PM

Re: “New nominee

It sounds like "disappointed dem" wants just another corporate-establishment hack like Baucus, tester and daines, all three of whom epitomize what's wrong with Washington.

It's interesting too, DD -- and extremely disingenuous -- that you disparage Frank Little for "encouraging violent tactics" when he was very brutally murdered by thugs in the employ of the copper barons !

Posted by alf on 08/26/2014 at 4:00 PM

Re: “Wrong side of the tracks

MRL needs to remember its duty of care and put up stronger fences, both to keep drunk idiots like this out, but also transients and protesters.

Imagine if a protester got their foot run over? How long before we heard the end of it? MRL, invest in your infrastructure or get ready for lawsuits. You've been lucky so far. Want to push it? Something tells me you do. You're a corporation, after all - you can get away with anything.

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Posted by Greg Strandberg on 08/26/2014 at 9:15 AM

Re: “etc.

Funny and not so funny, these arguements were the same ones when they were trying to decide of blacks should be allowed in white bathrooms.....

Posted by Craig Stevenson on 08/25/2014 at 10:26 AM

Re: “New nominee

She is so deeply flawed, yeah I get that the photo of her dressed as a punk rocker was some kind of costume party benefit but the pinned on anarchy symbol, her own comments about being an "Anarchist at heart", her celebrating the death anniversary of Frank Little, a man who employed and encouraged violent tactics and disparaged US troops, her leadership and writings in the IWW an organization with anarchist and communist foundings and a vow to destroy capitalism in it's preamble, and her bitterness and anger are all very out of the mainstream of the average Montanan. Did the Montana Dems just get blinded by her gender and her occupation? I am sick of the way women are trotted out (on both sides) but more on the dem side as token candidates without thorough vetting of who they actually are and what they stand for. For Ms. Curtis, her actions speak louder than words and those pictures, the one she posed for when not running for something, speak thousands of words. Way to wrap this up, put a bow on it and hand it to Daines. If we were a state that required party registration I would be switching mine today from Democrat to independent.

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Posted by Disappointed Dem on 08/25/2014 at 9:20 AM

Re: “Highway robbery

Idaho's proud Republican conservative leaders doing all they can spending precious tax payer dollars to support mega business, corporate agenda and political persecution while continuing to ignore the sanctity, heritage and historical significance of this magical and mystical region. Just another example of extremist dam hugging radicalism brought to you by the likes of Butch " We dont need no stinking Federal Medicare Assistance" Otter and Rush " The Man's a Muslim" Limbo. Wake up Idaho!!!... these Radical Republican puppets care only about preservation of the wealthy and privileged, they dont give a shit about anything else.

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Posted by K Wayne Berry on 08/24/2014 at 6:45 PM

Re: “Morally exposed

Thank you for posting this. In 48 states, bans on public nudity violate the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment, thereby rendering existing laws like that in Utah as unconstitutional on its face. We are gearing up to raise the alarm on these unconstitutional nudity bans, from SF and Spokane, Wash. to Myrtle Beach and Bellows Falls, Vt. and everywhere in between. Every state allows for at women to be nude in public via breastfeeding. Thirty-eight states allow for them to be topless as well. However, ONLY seven states allow for everyone to be naked in public. That is why bans on nudity violate the Equal Protection Clause. There is nothing remotely sexual about nudity.

Posted by mjb1984 on 08/24/2014 at 5:53 AM

Re: “Wolverines

On the face of it the article is about the fate of wolverines as a moral issue, Greg. The biological science could, and does, fill volumes. Your comments seem to be primarily sociological judgements and journalism critiques. Do you have any biological facts to offer? I could make a case for listing wolverine using biological information but am not trying to here because I think it sufficient to argue for wolverine protection based on morality, including the mandate for prudence when the existence of one of our miraculous wildlife legacies is in danger of extirpation or extinction...even when we do not have all relevant biological information at hand. More complete scientific understanding can come later, but only if we prevent the loss of wolverine to study, or simply to admire and respect

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Posted by Larry Campbell on 08/23/2014 at 2:39 PM

Re: “Water warning

Emily,
I appreciate your concern rooted in the trauma of your past hometown. However, you seem to be transferring worries rooted in the conditions in Las Vegas to Missoula. It actually is different here, and there are a few things you should know about your new home.

First, the Missoula aquifer actually is different from many water sources in the West. It is directly connected to the rivers and creeks above it, and it flows downhill in a similar fashion - though much more slowly (30-100 feet per day) as it wends through buried post-glacial gravels and boulders. According to Tom Patten, a geologist for the State Groundwater Information Center, “Unless there is a shortage to the point where the [Clark Fork River] isn’t flowing, we don’t have to worry about the aquifer running dry.” There is actual information backing up the impressions of watershed plenty that so unnerve you, check it out!

Moreover, the water used by humans in the area that does not evaporate or get carried out of the basin another way actually goes back into the ground, and thence back to the aquifer. That’s both good and bad, as it recharges the aquifer but also carries contaminants. What we Missoulians need to be concerned about is polluting the aquifer that provides ALL of our drinking water. Keeping groundwater clean is a much better point on which to raise civic awareness around here. Sprinkling water on concrete is definitely not ideal or efficient, but it’s not quite the horror it may seem.

You are also quite apocalyptic about rainfall trends in Missoula, but your conclusion is based on highly skewed data. Yes, there was a year of high rainfall in 1998 – locals skiers still rahpsodize about the massive winter storms that year – but 21 inches was an anomaly. The 30-year average is 13.82 inches, quite close to last year’s total. Your implication that rainfall amounts are plummeting toward zero in 30 years is wildly inaccurate, and exactly the kind of alarmism that gives climate change deniers a big fat target to discredit. There ARE highly worrisome trends in precipitation and temperature here, but overstating them does not help.

Finally, you mention pine beetle impacts as turning the west into a giant tinderbox. The actual effects of beetle-killed trees are much more complex than that. Turns out that both living and dead trees burn very well in hot and dry weather. But once the needles fall off the dead trees, wildfires don’t spread as catastrophically through the crowns…but when the tree trunks fall they build up heavier fuels that can sterilize soils when they do burn. Complicated! Layer on that different forest types, and the fact that our local forests have been primed for death (and maybe renewal) by beetles and fire by decades of fire suppression and historical harvest patterns as well as recent climate changes. Missoula is a center of expertise and research on fires and forest dynamics, with the Fire Sciences Laboratory out near the airport.

My point is that things are not as they may seem on first look around here. We Missoulians welcome ideas and experiences from other places – sharing this information is critical to creating a resilient culture in the era of climate change. It’s just good to be well-informed on the history and science of a place before you get too worked up!

http://newwest.net/main/article/peering_into_the_health_and_wealth_of_missoulas_aquifer/
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/mso/climate/norm_30y.html
http://www.firescience.gov/Digest/FSDigest12.pdf

Posted by Dave Morris on 08/23/2014 at 11:51 AM

Re: “Wolverines

I am full of myself, and it'd be damn nice to hear what those biologists think. No one thought to ask them, however, as that would require reporting.

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Posted by Greg Strandberg on 08/23/2014 at 11:46 AM

Re: “Wolverines

Wow! Is it so inconceivable that some people actually care about wolverines and the only defense left is to go to court? Most people commenting here seem to be ignorant as to the science and rationale as stated by USFWS to not list the wolverine. They grind their axes by taking swipes at those people with the compassion and heart to protect a species that does no harm to humans or their preferred species of pets and livestock. Greg Strandborg has the arrogance to decide what "every environmental group in the country thinks". He is clearly full of...himself... and apparently free of biological considerations. Human arrogance and disregard for the miracle of nature is paving the way to an unlivable and lonely planet. Shame, shame, shame. If thou shalt not kill is a moral dictum, then killing a planet seems absolutely unforgiveably immoral. Are there any 'homo sapiens', with any of our vaunted brains, left who think the planet and its creatures are not dying?

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Posted by Larry Campbell on 08/23/2014 at 11:34 AM

Re: “Tea Party pooper

The college course Intro to Psychology teaches you to be very skeptical of people who use terms like "many believe" because there is a good chance the person is either being deceptive or just don't understand what they are saying. Either case makes an argument against Tea Party claims of having smart followers to their extremist views.

Posted by ME.EH on 08/23/2014 at 11:27 AM

Re: “Highway robbery

That was " couldn't see past his own hands" I hate spell check

Posted by Coho on 08/23/2014 at 10:57 AM

Re: “Highway robbery

I lived in Orofino ID some years ago. Had an interesting conversation with a logger when the area was being threatened shutting a lot of logging off. After looking at whole mountain side stripped bare I was wondering at the intelligence of this. This logger was so mad at me he left and got a roll of toilet paper and held out both his hands which the role was in one and nothing in the other and said which one would you rather wipe your ass with. I was more than a little stunned at how stupid that was. If it meant wiping out a whole mountain of trees just to wipe my butt I was sure we could find another way to get my butt clean. Which bring me back to now, the logger could see past his own hands and most here can't see past their own cars.

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Posted by Coho on 08/23/2014 at 10:51 AM

Re: “New nominee

Regarding the comment above, this nomination certainly doesn't sound like desperation, but rather, instead of more of the same (altho I'm certain all the other men who had been under consideration are decent enough folks), the nomination of Amanda Curtis makes perfect sense. Almost everyone agrees there needs to be change in the Congress and Senate and the idiot tea nuts certainly have messed things up, so why not someone who "gets" what it's like in the real world and, especially, understands the true importance of education.

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Posted by ol' az hippie chick on 08/23/2014 at 1:30 AM

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