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Re: “Far from dead

Bravo, Mr. Kriegel! Just letting you know that at least one Independent reader is in support of you, the tea party, and AFP.

Posted by Lauren on 08/19/2014 at 6:56 PM

Re: “Water warning

Such a silly conversation. Listen to yourselves. Try this 'wasting water' justification on an 8-year-old and see how much sense it makes.

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Posted by Greg Strandberg on 08/19/2014 at 9:21 AM

Re: “Water warning

Its a waste of energy, not water... get it right.

Posted by df on 08/19/2014 at 9:04 AM

Re: “Water warning

Nothing wrong with trying to conserve water, even if there is a "seemingly" endless supply....which does, as you said seem doubtful. I too hate it when sidewalks get watered. All of us can cut back a little without losing any of our quality of life. Conservation is ALWAYS a good idea.

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Posted by Sara Lahey on 08/18/2014 at 10:23 AM

Re: “Morally exposed

"Is public nudity legally allowable within Missoula city limits? If not then the city council's decision is a violation of the tenets that ALL residents of the jurisdiction"

Quite the opposite. Is public nudity illegal? If not, then it must be allowed. Many, many towns and even states have laws against public nudity. Missoula does not. Until it does, the government must allow the event. If the citizens are really that concerned about public nudity, pass a law. It's been done many other places.

So the answer to your question is: Yes. Public nudity is legally allowed within Missoula. Until it is not, those who don't like it have to endure it.

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Posted by Concerned Citizen on 08/18/2014 at 3:07 AM

Re: “Water warning

Missoula's annual precipitation has been about 13.8 inches since at least 1970. That one year you mentioned is obviously an anomaly. Why are you trying to trick people with baseless alarmism?

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Posted by Pachistima on 08/17/2014 at 11:54 AM

Re: “Water warning

With all due respect to Gunnar Rocksund, the greatest threat to biodiversity -- and indeed, in the final analysis, is the ultimate cause of ALL our environmental problems, and probably our social and economic problems as well -- is the unchecked growth of the planet's human population. But it's taboo to even mention THAT, even though until we do, and get serious about addressing the problem, all we try to do to ameliorate it is little more than rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

("Invasive species are the second-greatest threat to biodiversity. Or, maybe Emily, you could try to stop the greatest threat - habitat loss.")

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Posted by alf on 08/16/2014 at 10:46 AM

Re: “Water warning

For a profession, I am a wildland restoration practicioner - I have nothing but the utmost respect for nature. That being said, I have to say this opinion piece sounds utterly naive & fallacy-ridden. Emily, don't pick a random high-precipitation year (1998) & then try to pass off this stastical outlier as baseline data. Simply put, the climate here is very different from where you moved here from. Don't compare the two at face value - go learn some more Earth science & about this locality's uniqueness before shouting your ignorance from the mountaintop. There are plenty more local natural resource issues of greater priority than a few people sprinkling sidewalks going on here... For example, do you have any noxious weeds growing on your property? Invasive species are the second-greatest threat to biodiversity. Or, maybe Emily, you could try to stop the greatest threat - habitat loss. You might as well tell people to stop building things.

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Posted by Gunnar Rocksund on 08/16/2014 at 7:40 AM

Re: “Morally exposed

I want to read this to so many people and then smile at their blank, comeback-less faces.

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Posted by devyfresh on 08/15/2014 at 3:32 PM

Re: “Water warning

These are questions that are best answered by a hydrologist and a climatologist. I am neither, but I am a geologist. Having gone through the UM geology department my understanding is that Missoula is in no danger of having a water shortage similar to the Desert West that you speak of. There are water wars raging in the West but not here in the Missoula Valley. The climate models that I have seen coming from the only person I know that is qualified to answer these questions (Steve Running) seem to show a warmer and wetter future for us if they show any changes at all. Arguments for efficiency of use always have merit but this is a question of dollars and sense and not of water shortage.

I am not sure the comparison of NM. or NV. are relevant to Missoula. We are not currently in a water shortage or close to one. The models I have seen do not put us in one in the future so I am not sure this concern is one past people simply wasting their money on green lawns.

Maybe the Independent should look deeper into this question and get some answers from the experts? who is admittedly not an expert.

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Posted by Donovan on 08/15/2014 at 12:05 PM

Re: “Morally exposed

Well said! How I miss Missoula. Here in NC one is suspect for even owning a bike. Hmmmm; we have not tried riding naked...

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Posted by Grace Garrett on 08/15/2014 at 5:53 AM

Re: “Morally exposed

I think people might be more concerned about that allowing the naked bike ride might open the door to allowing more things that are considered indecent, little by little. After all, suppose some people want to have a naked day... everyone who wants to can walk around completely naked around town. And why should they be stopped? After all a naked bike ride was allowed, so how would this be much different? A bit more exposure? So what? If you don't like it just stay home. And on it would go.

"Public indecency" could eventually be swept by the wayside. Just saying.

Until our bodies are no longer looked at as something that needs to be covered up, public nakedness is going to be frowned upon.

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Posted by onlythebeginning on 08/14/2014 at 11:17 PM

Re: “Morally exposed

busybodies is a good description! Too much time on their hands...

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Posted by Aspen Incashola on 08/14/2014 at 9:49 PM

Re: “Morally exposed

Everyone keeps saying, just stay home if you don't want to see it.... people, summer is peak tourist season. How are they informed? How do you warn them when they are downtown with their children? Staying home doesn't solve them problem for everyone!

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Posted by gardencitymama on 08/14/2014 at 9:09 PM

Re: “Morally exposed

Is public nudity legally allowable within Missoula city limits? If not then the city council's decision is a violation of the tenets that ALL residents of the jurisdiction have agreed to live under. If the citizenry wants to make public nudity legal then put it to a city-wide vote and add it to the charter/whatever if it passes. It's as simple as that. Those who wish to doff their clothes could do so whenever they wanted rather than have special dispensation for an obviously exhibitionist event. If someone finds such a law offensive then they can simply move away.

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Posted by thankful on 08/14/2014 at 4:20 PM

Re: “Morally exposed

If its not your ghinv then stay home and read the bible and be thankful we don't have a crack problem gang problem or religious fanatics tell us how yo live our decent lives..oops two out if the three is good enough...

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Posted by Eddie Holguin on 08/14/2014 at 4:04 PM

Re: “Water warning

I'm not sure if water is recycled in Missoula or even Las Vegas, New Mexico, but it should. Here in Las Vegas Nevada the water from the toilet and the sink is sent to plants to be cleaned and sent back to Lake Mead. From Lake Mead the water is again treated and sent back to the tap and toilets with a 90% reuse.

Posted by Steve Lange on 08/14/2014 at 2:11 PM

Re: “Morally exposed

Finally, someone using their good old fashioned common sense! If you are offended and don't want to be "exposed" to someone's nakedness then don't go looking for it!

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Posted by Luci Wolfe Synek on 08/14/2014 at 11:52 AM

Re: “Morally exposed

I was also incredulous that opponents realized that the only way to stop this ride was to file a compliant, and in order to do so they must attend and then be appropriately offended to file said complaint. I cannot imagine why you would go to an event with the intention of complaining, knowing full well that you are going to be 'offended'. Why not spend your time doing some actual good, like building houses with Habitat for Humanity, working in your own garden, volunteering with Goodwill or the POV - as these are acts that would live up to the so-called 'good' you wish to pursue in the world.

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Posted by Jesse on 08/14/2014 at 11:23 AM

Re: “Morally exposed

I so agree with this point of view! I am religious, in that I'm a Christian, I believe in God and all that entails. However, I also believe in the right of every individual to make up his or her own mind in what they will believe and accept. I would not, I repeat not, ride a bicycle naked, or even near naked. But I will not tell someone else they can't. It's their life, and if that's what they want to do, then by all means do. I also will not be there to see it, but I don't think that it will "scar" anyone to see it. The shootings, crime, and inhumanity to man will scar someone much more than the beauty of the human body.

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Posted by Jo Carlton on 08/14/2014 at 10:22 AM

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