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Be thankful you don't have humidity.

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Posted by Greg Strandberg on 07/17/2014 at 8:13 AM

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This is a perfect example of why the Independent is the best paper in town. Kudos to the staff.

Posted by Jerry on 07/15/2014 at 11:30 AM

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Best article of the week. O to be a bolo-festooned ex-governor. Romney, from a "polygamy
commune in Mexico", that's almost art. My old friend Stan down in Woody Creek,Colorado
would have enjoyed that one so much he would have stepped out back and shot the tail feathers off his best peacock. Dream on, hockey fans. It's all the-ay-ter.

Posted by Cygnus72 on 07/02/2014 at 4:07 PM

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People don’t hate Congress but rather they hate the job they are doing, which by the way is nothing.

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Posted by Shadow on 06/30/2014 at 5:07 PM

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Well, alf, Schweitzer was going after Feinstein and Cantor, two idiots in Congress. Thankfully we won't have to look at one of them anymore pretty soon.

Posted by Greg Strandberg on 06/26/2014 at 2:37 PM

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What does people hating congress have to do with Schweitzer's quixotic run for pretzeldunce ?

Posted by alf on 06/26/2014 at 2:31 PM

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People hate Congress.

Posted by Greg Strandberg on 06/26/2014 at 8:05 AM

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I don't live in Missoula, and haven't been to this new park yet, but I did see a few pictures of in on the Missoula TV news.

In some ways it reminded me of the Gasworks Park on Lake Union in Seattle, which as its name implies, was built of the site of an old gasworks; and it integrated some of the old industrial infrastructure into the new park -- a revolutionary idea in the early 1970s, when the park was built; and it got a lot of recognition in the national press at the time. The designer was Rich Haag, a Seattle Landscape Architect and professor at the University of Washington.

Posted by alf on 06/14/2014 at 11:56 AM

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What's scary is how many people voted for Stamey. 125 or something? Where will these people's discontent be directed next?

Democrats should find a way to steer that discontent toward the rifts in the Republican party, ripping them open all the wider.

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Posted by Greg Strandberg on 06/05/2014 at 9:15 AM

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Let's add the possibility of alchemy to Chem. classes too. I mean, who knows if the right formula could work. What's the harm?

Posted by John McKee on 05/25/2014 at 6:34 PM

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I think so, ScienceClassIsForScience.

When I lived in China you could not visit blogs. A website with "blog" in the URL would be blocked.

Now why is that? I always figured it was because the government was afraid the people would get new ideas, and might even believe them.

Aren't both sides in this school debate worried students will decide to believe one side or the other? But isn't that what we want?

How can you know cold if you've never known hot? Give people both sides and let them decide. People are smart enough to make decisions on their own right? Or aren't they?

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Posted by Greg Strandberg on 05/22/2014 at 9:43 AM

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Greg, do you think our reluctance to teach children the flat earth theory is based on fear?

Posted by ScienceClassIsForScience on 05/22/2014 at 9:31 AM

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Why are we so scared of creationism being taught? Why are we so scared of evolution being taught?

Kids aren't as stupid as we might like to think, so let's stop treating them like they are, alright? I'm sure what's on TV will have a much larger influence on their lives than what's taught in 7th grade biology class.

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Posted by Greg Strandberg on 05/22/2014 at 8:59 AM

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I've often wondered at the logic and economics of shipping live cattle from Montana (or Idaho, where I live) to feedlots and processing plants in Nebraska or Iowa, and then sending the processed meat back here. It seems awfully inefficient and not at all cost effective to me.

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Posted by alf on 05/08/2014 at 12:29 PM

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Valerie, are you being paid enough? Are you comfortable? Is there anything else we can do?

Hot chicken soup, maybe a milkshake from Mickey D's?

Are your feet up, can we get you a new E-Z-Boy?

Do you have enough TV channels? I don't want you getting bored around the house.

Please, Valerie, let me know if there's anything the good people of Montana can do to make your stay here any better or easier. We have such high regard for you and can't wait to tend to you on bended-knee.

Yes, please remember, Valerie - Montana is here to serve you.

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Posted by Greg Strandberg on 05/01/2014 at 9:07 AM

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The public deserves to know a little more about this 5 million acre National Forest "Fast Track" logging nomination "process."

Here are the facts: Governor Bullock nominated 5 million acres of National Forest land in Montana for “fast track” logging via a secret cabal of 7 hand-picked people that met over the phone 5 times with absolutely NO public notice given to Montana citizens, NO notes or recordings taken of these phone meetings and absolutely ZERO opportunity for Montana citizens to provide any input or comments on the 5 million acre of National Forests they were nominating for “fast track” logging.

Recently opinion pieces by Tom France of the National Wildlife Federation and Montana timber mill managers do not tell Montana citizens the whole story and they do that on purpose to protect their friends and their own roll in these exclusive, closed door and non-transparent processes.

For example, these folks now supporting Bullock's secret process fail to let Montana citizens know that right there in the Feb 28, 2014 conference call agenda ( it clearly says “April 1st deadline to Governor – after broader public review/input.”

So, at one point very early in this secret process the Governor and his hand-picked cabal intended to seek “broader public review/input,” but as we all know now that never happened. Tom France of NWF, Bruce Farling of MT Trout Unlimited and the timber mill managers/owners can now attempt to re-write history all they want and make it seem like gathering broader public review and input was never part of the deal, but the call agenda from Feb 28th doesn’t lie.

Let's also not forget that when Montana citizens – and members of the media – requested basic information about this secret process, the Bullock Administration stonewalled the public’s request for basic information and at first flat-out refused to provide any information to Montana citizens unless Montana citizens PAID them.

Also, keep in mind that the recently passed Farm Bill allows for an unlimited number of 3,000 acre timber sales across our National Forests. These “fast track” timber sales will come from the 5 million acres nominated by Governor Bullock’s 7-person, hand-picked cabal that provided no notice the public and no opportunity for the Montanans to provide input, comments and suggestions.

These unlimited timber sales up to 3,000 acres (4.7 square miles) in size will be "categorically excluded" from the requirements of NEPA (the National Environmental Policy Act, America's bedrock environmental law), meaning there will be no environmental analysis as to how a timber sale could impact threatened and endangered species such as bull trout, grizzly bear and lynx. The public, citizen appeal process has also been stripped.

Finally, it’s understandable that people Tom France of NWF, Bruce Farling of MT TU and the timber mill managers want to take the public’s attention away from this secret process impacting 5 million acres of public National Forest lands in Montana and the role only a handful of people played in it. Tom France, in his recent Missoulian oped, attempts to do this by claiming that only “fringe groups” have any issue with the secret process or the 5 million acres of National Forest lands nominated for Fast Track logging. Unfortunately, yet again this is just another example of Tom France and his “collaborators” in the timber industry deceiving Montana citizens.

Here's the link ( to a letter that WildEarth Guardians – with an office in Montana and representing 43,000 members and supporters in Montana and across the country – sent to Governor Bullock. As everyone can clearly see WildEarth Guardians, which has won awards throughout the west for their work within open, transparent and inclusive collaborative processes, made the following request:

“We respectfully request that you withdraw this designation and restart the process. Specifically, we request that you make the full process open and accessible to the public, and that you engage forest management experts, not just a small number of ‘stakeholders’ from a handful of organizations throughout the state.”

I’m sure Tom France’s recent Missoulian opinion piece is just the tip of the iceberg and that the timber industry and the handful of others involved with this secret, closed door nomination process that included zero public notice and zero opportunity for public input and review are frantically writing their own opinion pieces to try and cover up and defend their own role in this questionable “process.”

The fact is, Montana is a great place because we value openness and transparency from our state government and we all have a right to participate in the management of our public lands. Thanks.

Posted by Matthew Koehler on 04/29/2014 at 11:37 AM

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Ah, leadership, it's something, isn't it? You know, the people elect someone and that does give them a certain amount of authority.

I guess we'll do what Americans are good at - sue to get our way.

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Posted by Greg Strandberg on 04/24/2014 at 9:36 AM

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It's great that we have our economy expanding in this regard. People from other areas of the country will start paying attention and maybe they'll even come here to learn. Craft Beer schools, anyone?

The #1 reason people are in prison in Montana, however, is because of felony DUIs, so alcohol can also be a real double-edged sword here. I'm not sure a lot of those people doing time for that crime were drinking craft beers, however.

On another note, I can't help but think in 10 years Montana will be getting attention for another class of potent potables - marijuana.

Right now Colorado and Washington are getting the beat on us. For an agricultural state like Montana this is terrible. I sure hope we can get some sensible people in the next few years to lead the legalization effort and ensure Montana has a new cash crop to benefit our economy well into the future.

Greg Strandberg
Candidate - House District 98

Posted by Greg Strandberg on 03/27/2014 at 4:57 PM

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Smart man.

My grandfather, Robert Hockett, lost SD 15 back in 1992, a district he'd won in the previous election to the legislature. Before that election the lines were redrawn to take out the Rocky Boy Indian Reservation. Republicans won as a result.

The tribes of this state won't find any better friend or party who cares about their interests more than the democrats.

I mainly think this is because many Indians are struggling economically, and at the state and national level the republicans do not care about poor people. In fact, they hate their guts and blame them for all of America's problems.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Greg Strandberg
Candidate - HD 98

Posted by Greg Strandberg on 02/20/2014 at 12:15 PM

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wow an officers right to privacy outweighs the publics right to know where did w hear that.....?

0 accountability.....!!!!!!

Posted by never trut authority on 02/12/2014 at 8:33 AM

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