How refreshing that Megan writes a letter which is not abrasive but seeks a dialog for concerned climbing enthusiast and those who wish to protect public and private lands. So often opinion letters to the editor are single minded and poorly thought out. This blog is well written and Megan truly cares about the issue. Dealing with the forestry departments and any type of Government body will be frustrating and long term endeavor. M.K.
The transition from climbing gym ethics/mentality to outdoor, shared public land ethics/mentality has not been a smooth one for some 'sport' climbers. It's a shame that self-policing by climbers was not enough by itself to rein in the excesses and lack, by some, of outdoor, public land leave-no-trace ethics. When community climbers and non-climbers got involved the mean-spirited 'shoot the messenger' tactic was turned (by some) onto the non (or former) and local traditional climbers to try to discredit and marginalize people who did not want to see the proliferation of unplanned, unauthorized 'projects' constructed on public land with very little consideration of neighbors or other forest users, let alone the fledgling eagle trying to grow feathers to be able to move out of the area since climbers had staked their claim next to its home. The contrast between 'traditional', normally scrupulously ethical climbers and too many 'sport' climbers is very evident. Now, instigated by concerned community residents, the effort to eliminate or mitigate damage at Mill Creek and to develope a forest-wide climbing management plan is receiving at least lip service by the 'sport' climbers and the presumed land managers, the Bitterroot National Forest. After great trial and tribulation the Forest Service has finally indicated they will act on their public trust responsibilities and take some first steps beyond lip service. What they propose is essentially closing one barn door after the horse has bolted. However, other barn doors are wide open and left to self-policing by the very same people who saw but failed to police the Mill Creek media advertised 'sport' climbing 'project' fiasco. Nobody, especially climbers, likes regulation, but when public interests get trampled thoughtlessly regulation is appropriate and expected from land managers who are well paid to protect the land and related public interests. I hope the perpetrators of the Mill Creek 'project' can show leadership and ethics by moving forward without the personal attacks on the messengers that have been launched. Megan's letter stating, " We need to promote increased education and awareness within the climbing community, especially as the sport’s popularity grows and more climbers than ever are transitioning from the gym to the outdoors.", is a good start.
Maybe we'll get the YES votes to pay a user fee to pay for this increase in our property tax. Missoula is becoming a city of the have's and have not's because of these tax increases. Can you afford to live here?
Thanks, John. All of us who live here benefit from recreation spaces paid for by those who lived here previous - its time to kick in and do out bit. I'll be voting yes for parks and trails on Nov. 4.
We need more outsized ideas like this to shift our thinking to more imaginative solutions thank you for this john marshall
Hello John ; congratulations on your retirement from Boilermakers. at least that is the word from Heather. I see though that you have jumped out of the frying pan and into the fire. I can't agree more with you on the issue of coal power. Washington is great at wasting money and finding they have purchased grief , leave it to the high powered lobbyist to throw 2@1/2" end wrenches into the turbine. I appreciate your dialogue and feel your frustration .I am still firm in my conviction to get my theories to market , along with some combustion engineers and of course at least one corporation to see the value and aid in the engineering . I have thought if Warren Buffet , the owner of Mid American energy were to get involved and be willing to sacrifice a small percentage of the raw power he sells a phenomena in carbon capture and greenhouse gasses could be achieved .But that battle is yet to be fought. Any how I happened upon your article and thought I would say hello and congratulations again on your new position. Sincerely Pete McGowan
According to the numbers you reference in the last paragraph, 1.5% of voters (7,500 same day registrants out of 500,000 total voters) are causing the massive backups on election day? Not buying your logic, Mr. Essmann.
Boot Steppin Amanda refused to debate Daines in Eastern Montana.
Too scared to show up.
Would have been laughed off he stage.
Why would anyone want to debate in lefturn montana.
When Teste and Burns debated in Missoula, the crowd sounded like a bunch of UM sophomore frathouse losers than actual young adults.
They let Teste talk but made noise whenever Burns tried. Yeah, real fair and impartial.
You choose your own lounge room interior decoration geared to a specific design, or perhaps motif. May it be classic, contemporary, abstract or perhaps anything live tv , every single piece of lounge room interior decoration you decide is important for the overall look of one's lounge room.
She should check out the acres burned in the 1910 burn, and the 1930s - kind of makes today's acreage burned appear not so alarming.
The college course Intro to Psychology teaches you to be very skeptical of people who use terms like "many believe" because there is a good chance the person is either being deceptive or just don't understand what they are saying. Either case makes an argument against Tea Party claims of having smart followers to their extremist views.
Thank you Tea party! Many of us stand with you!
My pleasure, Mr. Mirisch - Jer
The sad part of these groups isn't about liberty but about being a republican controlled group. Republicans in general don't want individual liberty or less government. Just remember the Republican majorities during the Bush years when spending increased, the national debt increase and spying by the government on it's citizens increased. I think people should vote Libertarian this year and send those political groups a message that while it's nice to have non-partisan groups speaking out AFP is as non-partisan as Forward Montana who only supports Democrats, while AFP only supports Republicans.
i hope people aren't fooled by the lies in Stacey Anderson's letter. Personhood doesn't interfere with fertility treatment nor miscarriage. Recognizing each human being's right to life only means that it's illegal to kill that human being (with criminal intent or criminal recklessness) from the beginning of life. Fertility treatment is about creating human beings, not killing them so it would be unaffected. Miscarriages are not criminal either.
Government's primary job is to protect the innocent. Just because government is far too invasive in our lives doesn't mean it shouldn't do it's primary job. So, of course, government should protect every human being, even the weakest and most vulnerable, those in the womb.
Perhaps we should ban swimming pools - a child is far more likely to drown in a swimming pool than be killed in a firearm accident.
See also "The big lick: Horse abuse for fame and fortune." Don't miss the X-ray of the nail-filled hoof--and then imagine the agony in each and every step. This piece includes links to short videos, photos, and more. http://www.othernationsjustice.org/?p=5361
The statement, "There have been 63 school shootings in America since the Sandy Hook tragedy..." is misleading at best. It appears to be an updated number that comes from a highly flawed "study" from Mayors Against Illegal Guns, an organization that is "for civilian disarmament. This fact escaped a few of their early members; politicians who considered reading the name of the organization sufficient due diligence." They have lost more than 50 members in recent months due to their agenda and lack of credibility.
I am also the parent of two school age students in Missoula. I understand that school violence is a concern in our country and I respect your opinion and efforts to get to the root of this issue. PLEASE consider this...
If a person wants to hurt people and do illegal things nothing will stop them.
I think it could be useful to look at a possibility of another root. What has become of childhood and adolescence in our country? What types of morbid emotional suppression are our children and citizens experiencing that puts them in such desperately destructive situations? Why are so many people suffering from mental health issues and living on nutritionally deficient food and pharmaceuticals? JUST MAYBE... We have created an overly isolating ,intensely lonely and fearful culture. I DON'T THINK NEW LAWS AND REGULATIONS can protect US from this. I am happy that we as a community are talking and looking for solutions regarding this horrific situation in our society.
Here are some substantive comments based on the actual text of the Rocky Mountain Heritage Act. These comments are provided from the perspective of a hunter/conservationist who has spent a lot of time on MT's RMF:
It also should be mentioned that the Montana Outfitters and Guides Association has come out publicly supporting Rep Steve Daines massive mandated logging bill, the so-called “Restoring Healthy Forests for Healthy Communities Act” (HR 1526).
As such I really don’t think the Montana Outfitters and Guides Association knows much about federal public lands policy, or really even has the best interest of our public lands, wildlife, wilderness and backcountry in mind.
Here’s why. In Montana it’s estimated that Rep Daines logging bill (supported strongly by the MOGA) would result in a 6 fold increase in National Forest logging across the state.
These dramatic increases in logging would be achieved by undermining America’s public lands legacy by simply having members of Congress mandate dramatic increases in industrial logging by exempting ALL National Forest logging sales up to 15.6 square miles (10,000 acres) in size each from public input, environmental analysis and gutting the Endangered Species Act.
Rep Daines’ “Logging Without Laws” bill also has the US Congress simply closing the US Federal Court House doors, forbidding any citizen lawsuits on certain types of industrial logging projects, which is inherently undemocratic. Daines’ bill applies to all of America’s 155 National Forests, not just those National Forests in Montana.
You can learn some more specifics about Daines logging bill here:
As a dedicated backcountry hunter myself I believe that some serious changes need to be made to the Rocky Mountain Front Heritage Act, while Daines’ mandated logging bill should just be dismissed out of hand for all the ways it undermines America’s public lands legacy. Too bad MOGA doesn’t understand these simple truths. Thanks.
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