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Re: “Big hunk of pork

Montana senator twice gets his facts wrong on timber sales and litigation
By Glenn Kessler, The Washington Post's Fact Checker

Full article at: http://wapo.st/18kUG33

The Facts

According to Tom Martin, a Forest Service deputy director for renewable resource management, there are 97 timber sales under contract in Montana’s national forests. Of that number, just 14 have active litigation, so about 14 percent. But only four of the sales are enjoined by a court from any logging….

The Pinocchio Test

Given that Tester is the senior senator from Montana, his comments on litigation in Montana’s national forests are embarrassingly wrong. In both statements, he was wildly off the mark. He needs to brush up on his facts — and his math — before he opines again on the subject. Four Pinocchios

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Posted by Matthew Koehler on 03/05/2015 at 12:17 PM

Re: “Lost in translation

Myra, repeat after me - S. A. R. C. A. S. M.

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Posted by Cascarrabias on 03/01/2015 at 3:03 PM

Re: “Lip service and lies

I wish I could believe that the politicos and "conservation" orgs who spread the Big Lie or any of the thousand little related lies would change their tune once they know the facts, but the facts have been there all along and they didn't bother to fact check. I am sorry to say I would bet their behavior will not change at all. They know what they know because it has been repeated so many times and they will not let actual facts get in the way. Varying forms of this lie goes back a long time. Remember "analysis paralysis"? The timber supply was supposedly tied up by appeals. Professor Martin Nye at UM actually looked at the facts and saw that appeals had a very minimal impact on timber supply.
And the bottom line is that appeals or litigation do not often stop timber sales. Only when a proposed timber sale does not follow the law can a sale be stopped, and then it is often modified to stay within the law, if possible, and reoffered.

Posted by Larry Campbell on 02/28/2015 at 10:51 AM

Re: “Lip service and lies

Thanks Keith for an excellent recap of this very clear threat to America's public lands legacy.

For more details exposing Senator Tester's lie concerning his MT Public Radio Statement that: "Every logging sale in Montana right now is under litigation. Every one of them."

Please see below where the Washington Post's Fact-Checker just awarded Senator Tester the maximum 4 Pinocchios for telling a 'whopper' about public lands logging and lawsuits. (http://bitly.com/TesterWhopper)

Turns out that when a reporter actually look into the issue that there are 97 current timber sales on national forest lands in Montana and just 4 timber sales are stopped because of litigation. 4% ≠ 100% Senator Tester.

Of course, this could just as easily be a FACT CHECK on the entire Montana political, media and environmental establishment.

Sure this Fact-Check is about Tester's 'whopper' of a lie, but Daines and Zinke, Gov Bullock, the Montana timber industry, Montana Wilderness Association, Montana Wildlife Federation and practically the entire Montana News Media (with a few notable exceptions) also repeat these same lies and untruths, and have for years. Do people seriously not do their own independent verification anymore?

It will be very, very interesting to see what the Montana News Media does with this information, as well as how it informs and impacts Daines and Tester's efforts to dramatically increase public lands timber sales in Montana under the entirely false premise that lawsuits prevent the Forest Service from doing anything. So far, the statewide Lee Bureau reporter actually somehow managed to write an article about the Washington Post's fact-check of Senator Tester without 1) printing any of the actual facts uncovered by the Washington Post and 2) reprinting entirely incorrect information from Senator Tester. No wonder the public has a hard time understanding what's really a pretty basic issue.

And what about groups like Montana Wilderness Association, Montana/National Wildlife Federation, The Wilderness Society Montana Trout Unlimited, Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, Boone and Crockett Club? Will they too acknowledge these facts and stop spreading false information as they too work with politicians and the timber industry to greatly increase public lands logging?

Stay Tuned...

Montana senator twice gets his facts wrong on timber sales and litigation
By Glenn Kessler, Washington Post Fact Checker
http://bitly.com/TesterWhopper

“Unfortunately, every logging sale in Montana right now is under litigation. Every one of them.” – Sen. Jon Tester (D-Mont.), interview with Montana Public Radio, Feb. 18, 2015

Our inbox started flowing with e-mails from outraged residents of Montana shortly after Montana Public Radio ran an interview in which Sen. Jon Tester (D-Mont.) asserted that “every logging sale” in the state was “under litigation.” The complaints also reached the radio station, as within a day, Tester’s staff offered a revised statement that focused on “volume” rather than sales. Marnee Banks, his spokeswoman, apologized for the original statement, but Tester himself made no comment.

But when we asked Tester’s staff for evidence to back up the revised statement, they simply directed us to the U.S. Forest Service, rather than explain the data themselves. It’s taken a few days to unravel the numbers, but this is a case of apples and oranges, with a few limes thrown in.

The Pinocchio Test

Given that Tester is the senior senator from Montana, his comments on litigation in Montana’s national forests are embarrassingly wrong. In both statements, he was wildly off the mark. He needs to brush up on his facts — and his math — before he opines again on the subject. Four Pinocchios

Full Story: http://bitly.com/TesterWhopper

Posted by Matthew Koehler on 02/28/2015 at 8:34 AM

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