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Comment Archives: stories: News

Re: “One job, one vote

At least he's consistent. Don't forget that in 2009 the appropriately-named Butcher sponsored a bill to bring horse slaughter to Montana that also had provisions limiting citizen input on the hideously cruel and filthy slaughter plants. http://missoulian.com/legislature_sub/busi…

Posted by Other Nations on 12/02/2016 at 1:33 PM

Re: “One job, one vote

Honey bear I swear you must be on to something here.
Ed Butcher's Rorshach sheets will be the evidence you need to demonstrate everything is just made into a shade. Pass me the "flesh tone" crayolas Dan.
And since you're up, I'll have another.
Two ice cubes no water.
Ed's pathology skews towards his mother's aggression and his father's scorn.
I am not sure work is work if the color isn't appropriate, within Ed's world that is.
If the color is at all shaded then the work is weed inspired and therefore can't be real.
Really a shame if you ask me.
My lawn is immaculate this time of year.
Ed once blamed his excess on my influence but hoovered all my drugs.
Poor 'ed. Caught between history and reality really.

Kind Regards,
Harald

Posted by Tacitus ambulans on 12/01/2016 at 10:07 PM

Re: “Engen's return

What is going on with this guy? (He's our own Zootown version of Rob Ford, without the cocaine.) So much for transparency in government! And what's up with The Missoulian disabling its comments section on the relevant article on him in yesterday's paper? (Nice move guys. Don't you wish you had someone as "in the bag" for you as these guys were for him yesterday?) Precipitating event? Was it domestic? Was there and/or some other incident at the airport? Also, did the drinking effect this whole spiraling downward situation with the water company? (Mark my words, citizens of Missoula, we're going to be paying long and hard, and "through the nose" for a lifetime--through our rates and paying back bonded indebtedness for this personal Tinkertoy/obsession!) The spending, even so far, on this is like that of a drunken sailor! And, lastly, does he have no shame, already lining up his 2017 mayoral run? (Is there truly "something in the water" on this point? Talk about pol blood running through your veins.) From what I've seen, half of Missoula has already forgiven this guy--without all the facts. Be compassionate folks, but, as they say folks, don't be chumps! What a town!

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Posted by John Duffy on 12/01/2016 at 5:17 PM

Re: “Engen's return

It's apparent that the position of mayor is too overwhelming for Engen. First he can't stop a food addiction. Corrects it after tax $$$$ cover his operation. Now for alcohol abuse. Also complements from tax $$$$$. What will be his next psychological demon? For his own health, those who love him and the Missoulians who he claims he loves and is dedicated to, he should resign.

1 like, 2 dislikes
Posted by niam on 12/01/2016 at 1:41 PM

Re: “Engen's return

Fantastic that this man was wise enough to realize his problem and get help! A real hero! Wish there were more like him! Im proud of him and his accomplishment. HOOORAY John!
Patrica Bowers
Polson, Montana

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Posted by Patricia Bowers on 12/01/2016 at 1:37 PM

Re: “One job, one vote

Dan Brooks, your last paragraph says it all. BTW if the UM is removed from the Missoula landscape, the so called permanent Missoula "conservative" residents would probably outnumber the "liberal socialist progressive" part- time student residents.

Posted by niam on 12/01/2016 at 1:29 PM

Re: “Poaching by the numbers

Well they didn't let the meat go to waste in Leisure Park when they left the bones and the head...POACHERS FOR SURE!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Cj Rolphe on 12/01/2016 at 12:45 PM

Re: “One job, one vote

How is it that Tomi Lahren has a show but Dan Brooks does not?

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Posted by Captain Crunch on 12/01/2016 at 12:21 PM

Re: “Threat? What threat?

President Engstrom is being asked to leave.....Yes.....engstrom is done as of 12/31/16...WoooHooo.
Happy U of M employee!!!

Posted by yennj on 12/01/2016 at 11:17 AM

Re: “Engen's return

Who can or will run against Engen in 2017?

I know Harlan Wells has mentioned he might. I can see David "Doc" Moore mounting a challenge, perhaps Champ Edmunds, Susan Cundiff, Bill Murray, and...anyone else?

That's the GOP side. For the Dems, we know Engen needs a primary challenger so he can raise more money in the election cycle. Who might that be, and will they be a serious challenger or a paper tiger?

I hope we can start talking about this more. The city is the most taxed in Montana and we're trying to get a local option sales tax too. Jobs aren't paying that much and it's been that way for years.

I feel it's time for new leadership...but who?

3 likes, 5 dislikes
Posted by Greg Strandberg on 12/01/2016 at 11:16 AM

Re: “Engen's return

John Engen is a very brave man in a public arena. I too I am a recovering alcoholic....27 yrs. It is a beast that lives with you everyday, because the drink is only as far away as the end of your arm....It is not an easy thing to say you have a problem then go to treatment, even if you have no public exposure. It is still very difficult to face the questions that you have to face and be honest about it.
I wish Our Mayor the Best in his Journey......I know he can do it.

7 likes, 3 dislikes
Posted by yennj on 12/01/2016 at 11:13 AM

Re: “Timber chronicles

Just to put a point on it, the lead FS official at the time of the supposed Westside project "collaboration" with the local homeowners and the Bitterroot Restoration Committee said after the timber sale was OK'd, The Bitterroot Restoration Committee actually works on a consensus basis. And have to admit my observation would be on this particular project, as well as on certain other issues I dont believe that theyve met that consensus at this point in time.

One of the main complaints in the ongoing litigation, as well as in the 17 citizen Objections, is the lack of "collaboration". The Objections were dismissed out of hand It seems certain FS officials confirm that claim, now that the NEPA process is over.

The reason this is important, and the way to understand the FS rush to dismiss the failure to genuinely collaborate, is that "collaboration" is required by law to take the analysis shortcuts they took as well as to access the pots of taxpayer money they are using to implement the timber sale. The self-acknowledged failure to legitimately collaborate makes this timber sale and the use of special tax funding illegitimate/illegal.

It is worth noting that one of the fundamental purposes of the clamor for "collaboration" is to give extra weight to local opinions on forest management. The fact that so many of the Objections were from the most local citizens, local homeowners, shows that the concept is not working in practice. Nor should it, in my opinion. Citizens all across the US own that land equally. We locals already earn a bonus by being able to enjoy it on a daily basis. What would you think if residents of Manhattan agreed to sell off parts of the Statue of Liberty to help their local economy. This policy would create a fire sale of public assets by local interests for their own local benefit, which is what we see with our public forests.

I prefer the NEPA process, which gives all Americans an equal voice in commenting on projects that effect their equally owned public land heritage, even if they can't travel hundreds or thousands of miles to attend meetings in Hamilton, Montana. I don't want to have to go to NY to defend the Statue of Liberty from being sold off as trinkets.

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Posted by Larry Campbell on 12/01/2016 at 10:50 AM

Re: “Timber chronicles

Thanks to the Missoula Indy for continued coverage of this issue.

For whatever it's worth, here's more information about what Ryan Domsalla, West Fork District Ranger of the Bitterroot National Forest, said at the Western Governors National Forest and Rangeland Management Initiative meeting in Missoula on September 21, 2016 about the Westside Collaborative Vegetation Project, collaboration and the Bitterroot Restoration Committee.

"This [the Westside Collaborative Vegetation Project] was one of the governors Forests in Focus Initiative Projects. We received about $136,900 for this. That particular (state) money was able to expedite the project as well as make it a priority for the Bitterroot National Forest..The expedited nature of the project. definitely curtailed the time that we had to do some collaboration with some adjacent landowners as well as with some of our stakeholders and user groups. You know, like I said, it didnt allow us a lot of time to establish that trust, that communication that is necessary for truly honest and open collaboration. Certainly we worked with the State of Montana DNRC to move forward with much of the project prior to actually making the decision, which I think expedited things. But honest and truly I think we can do better there.

The Bitterroot Restoration Committee actually works on a census basis. And have to admit my observation would be on this particular project, as well as on certain other issues I dont believe that theyve met that consensus at this point in time.

- Ryan Domsalla, West Fork District Ranger of the Bitterroot National Forest

Anyone can verify these official statements from a Bitterroot National Forest official by watching the actual panel from the WGA meeting here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtySlCka6l…

It should also be pointed out that apparently Wayne Hedman, chair of the Bitterroot Restoration Committee, had prevented a fellow Bitterroot Restoration Committee member from sharing this video and Ranger Ryan Domsallas comments with the rest of the Bitterroot Restoration Committee members earlier this fall. Why do you suppose that would be?

Posted by Matthew Koehler on 12/01/2016 at 9:51 AM

Re: “Pretty hate machine

I believe most people have enough intelligence to see through the alt right propaganda in the first 4 comments here. They are obviously posted by the same group of a-holes that this article is about. The air of the 3rd and 4th comments suggest that they are made by white bigot/s to stir anger in other white people, inspire a defense. I would not normally find it necessary to post the obvious, but some sort of rationalism is evidently not prevailing here and now. Maybe common sense and decency among fellow Americans is being underrepresented. As a Montanan, I'd just assume this secular group of MT "alt right" stay here and crawl back in their little hole, they can have it, that's why this is America and Montana. Richard Spencer stays quiet behind his think tank here, because he knows that Montanans would be quick to put him and his cohorts in their place, if they were to get too cocky. He is bordered by two of Montana's largest Indian Reservations, and the majority of Montanans are staunch against racism. We still have WWII veterans, and we haven't forgot those who died standing up against the Nazis in Europe. White Nationalists will never be welcome among the majority, here or anywhere.

3 likes, 1 dislike
Posted by ... on 11/29/2016 at 8:39 AM

Re: “Justice and us

The impeachment is so that he will lose his retirement pay you numskull. Why don't you spend a half second researching? It might have also prevented this garbage about how it's not the judges fault but rather all of our fault because this guy raped his daughter. You are nearly as bad as the enabling judge, who should be put in prison himself when this creature decides to rape again.

Posted by Terrible all around on 11/28/2016 at 5:44 PM

Re: “Pretty hate machine

I am offended by this article, mainly the title. Nine Inch Nails never hurt anyone.

Patrick Klemz
Vienna, VA

0 likes, 2 dislikes
Posted by klemz on 11/27/2016 at 10:33 AM

Re: “Pretty hate machine

Omg I can't believe this SICK white man wants a homeland for his people!! How DISGUSTING!

White people are evil and need to have their countries flooded with Mexicans, Africans, and Arabs. It'll be a beautiful day when the white race is finally extinct.

7 likes, 11 dislikes
Posted by JayS86 on 11/25/2016 at 12:39 PM

Re: “Blame hall

My genius level IQ son, who was awarded a full tuition 4 year MUS honors scholarship to any school in Montana, currently speaks/writes/translates 4 foreign languages and wants to "pick up" a dozen more so he can work anywhere in the world, quite possibly for government and/or human rights and environmental organizations. For a number of reasons, Missoula was going to be the only town where he could afford to live while attending school and I hesitate to look through the, yes, very hard to navigate UofM website to see just what's been/going to be dropped. Gonna guess a lot of foreign languages are going to become unavailable. So hey good work there, did we just manage to deny an education to a brilliant Montanan who might have gone on to do some measurable good in this world because some incompetent dickbutt can't think his way out of the tiny paper bag separating UofM from its former success?

Posted by Percival on 11/25/2016 at 10:38 AM

Re: “Pretty hate machine

It is disgusting to conceive of a future in which whites have anything, whether in America or Europe. We must become a global nation composed of every race and ethnicity (as long as whites are replaced and blended out) which passionately fights for the eternal existence of the state of Israel.

9 likes, 15 dislikes
Posted by Jeremiah Rosenfeld on 11/25/2016 at 8:36 AM

Re: “Pretty hate machine

We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children.

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Posted by Prophet of KEK on 11/25/2016 at 12:19 AM

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