Spot on, Dan. Thank you for the chuckles, while spotlighting ignorance.
Mr. Strandberg, please read history. It is a history far older than your ancestors in this beautiful country we white people now call our home. Had you, and yours, been treated so dismally, you might think differently.
My ancestors -- all from Scandinavia, the Netherlands, Scotland and England -- came to this country after it was stolen from the people who had lived here for thousands of years. I bear no gulit for my ancestors; I simply acknowledge this fact of depredation.
Drunk Indians is a common perception in the state, and having several of them walking around downtown Missoula in the summer while they're drunk doesn't help.
These opinions are going to stay in place until the tribes of the state stop feeling sorry for themselves, stop blaming the white man, and start taking responsibility for their actions. Having your representatives drive drunk and then act arrogant certainly doesn't help.
Indians in this state have yet to prove to me that their anything but a burden on our resources and a sad-luck case that I'm frankly tired of hearing about. My life sucks too and I've got no money, but no one would give a damn if I was complaining. I'm white.
I assume the CSKT owns the land in fee. Why does it want to put the land in BIA trust? To save $808?
Don't forget to add this to the "Drunk on Power" list....From a recent Indy no less....
Power grab: Bitterroot considers case for state ownership of public lands
Awe! The tree huggers are back. I truly find these people bigots.
They scream “save the tree” as they live in a home built out of wood.
Raising a fist and yelling “fossils fuels are bad” as they drive to there protest, burning the same fuel.
Ranting “coal is bad” as they plot out there next protest heating there home with it.
Crying “trains pollute and make noise” as they relax in that easy chair that arrived in the store by train.
Yelling “down with big business” as they set in the street (NOT WORKING A JOB) oblivious to the fact that its big business that create jobs.
Yea, you got to love the bigots they truly are. Oh and as always these people never have a solution to anything.
Here is something I posted the other day concerning the Bitterroot Valley and what I’ve seen happen to it where the wolf is concerned. This was a response to one of the people that wrote in as to why so little wolf tags are being filled. As always the supporters of the wolf responded with the typical deflection of the truth. Using Federal numbers and studies to vindicate the mistake that was made and blame shift what has happened. The bottom line to this is that I’ve grown up in the Bitterroot Valley and the surrounding areas all my life. I know what I saw back then and what I see today. The only major change to the Bitterroot Valley and surrounding area is the wolf. What I’ve written below is what I’ve seen with my own eyes and there noting more to add. It’s the truth and that’s that.
I can tell you who the intelligent one is here. It’s the wolf and that is without question. The wolf has decimated the deer and elk population in the Bitterroot Valley and that I can testify to.
When I was a child growing up in the area you always seen elk, deer and mule deer all over the place. I can recall huge herds of elk roaming wild and free with the satellite bulls working hard to cut out some cows for there own. Elk and deer were everywhere and hunting them was just a natural part of life back then.
Local people didn’t trophy hunt or go on wild killing sprees shooting up the entire valley for sport like the supporters of the wolf would like people to think, and they don’t do it even today. No the elk and deer were hunted for food and there was a natural balance between animal and man. It was a great time in my life where people helped out each other and no one ever went hungry or depended on the grocery store to survive.
Since the wolf has been reintroduced in the environment those very majestic herds of elk are no more. The deer that used to come into our yard are forever gone and the local people who hunt see nothing but the wolf tracks.
The supporters of the wolf will tell you this is not true but they lie for there cause. I’ve seen it with my very own eyes and my freezer is empty and the families I know that depended on these hunts work even harder to feed the grocery store.
Why is this happening you ask? It’s because some people thought it would be a great idea to bring the wolf back. They never stopped to think that they were about to reintroduce a species into an area that the wolf has not been in for almost 100 years. A cunning hunter that thinks and hunts in a pack was turned loose into a population of elk and deer that had no fear of the species nor knew how to adapt to such a hunter. No thought was given to the elk or deer or the people that depended on them and that’s evident by the lack of harvesting of the species.
Now to your question. The reason so many tags are sold and such a small amount of wolfs are killed is simple. The wolf is a cunning and intelligent predator that can adapt to it’s environment extremely fast. It’s a fast learner and it teaches what it has learned to its young and the rest of the pack. That includes the avoidance of man. This is why and for no other reason, so don’t believe all the lies the wolf supporters put out there.
Be warned and don’t take the wolf lightly or you could find yourself on the wrong end of the wolf if you venture to far off the beaten path while out in the woods. The good news is that man also adapts quite well and you will see the number rise as the elk and deer wither away to nothing and the wolf moves into populated areas.
Liz, the reason you don't see elk is not because the wolves have taken them all, it's because the elk have had to become more careful, more elusive, more wild. They are behaving the way true elk should. It has been shown (there are SO many scientific peer-reviewed papers) that too many elk overgraze and change the landscape when allowed to flourish unharassed by predators. Elk should not be our only concern, the environment as a whole is more important. Predators serve a purpose.
It may be sad to lose sight of the wildlife that lived in your draw, but changing their behavior to act more like wild animals is the bigger good.
However, I do agree that individual wolves could be killed WHEN they harrass livestock or pets. I do NOT think hunters, wandering deep into the woods to shoot and trap wolves, are doing anybody any favors. Why kill wolves that are deep in the woods, bothering no humans or livestock? Aren't these the wolves that are behaving the way we would prefer? Staying away from human contact and teaching their pups to behave the same way?
I've heard too many hunters complain about the wolves taking elk, sometimes in a seemingly cruel way, yet they don't see the irony of their complaints when the same hunters eagerly use leghold traps. Trading cruel for cruel does not justify a hunter's behavior, it makes them hypocrites. My feeling has always been that many hunters hate wolves because it forces the hunter to have to work harder and walk farther to find their prey. It's laziness and competition.
Speaking of the Bitterroot Valley, it has become a place where young and old retirees from virtually everywhere in the country who evidentally have no idea where the paper and wood products come from, with pockets full of money come to settle.
The first thing that happens is to have a beautiful log home built, settle in and possibly work from home and then find a cause to support such as save the forests from themselves. A not in my back yard mentality but only after they take from the forest what they need. Where do they think the logs, and everything they use in life come from ? The upper Bitteroot valley has been burned to a crisp from fires that could have been prevented if wise forest management ie, logging, thinning would have happened rather than stop all forest management.
This is not to say open the forests to log like they did in the early years in the forests but manage them wisely.
You know, you guys put up some good articles, but there's never any comments on them. I can't help but think this is because you never reply to any comments. I mean, why do you even have this site? Did your mom make you or something?
The feds dumped wolves throughout the northwest, doing serious damage to ecosystems that weren't suitable. My rugged river valley in northern Idaho, the St. Joe River, has been drastically altered. I live at the back of a very small community, with an unobstructed view up our draw, and I used to count twenty to thirty elk in two herds up on the glades. They are gone, the most I've counted "post introduction" are 11. The grouse are gone, the wild turkeys are gone, my draw is suffering. Couger are becoming a "problem" all over the area - they are being out-competed and hunting dogs and cats. It doesn't help wolves to dump them into places they don't belong.
So you citizens are the educated and honored supporters of the wolf. Is this how it works? You know hunting the hunter and making idle threats to those who hunt and trap? I sincerely believe none of you have and ounce of bold or honor between the entire gaggles of worthless garbage that you are.
The reality is that you’re no better than the radical terrorist I’ve fought for 10 years, defending your right to be unintelligent. Eco terrorist, I believe it’s called. You use the same process of misleading information, idle threats, bullying and harassment.
I’m not saying this about the article written, because it was quite good, but rather to the people that responded to the article. How pathetic you are and how unrealistic you seem.
This is one of the best articles I have ever been on.
Great job fighting for our wolves.
I will totally help hunt the hunters.
HA HA HA HA!!!
If you can't hunt successfully with a bowie knife or spear...your not a real hunter.
Hunt the hunter, like they hunt animals... Ohhhh, that's wrong you say???
Thank you Marybeth for a phenomenal article. You have a heart of gold we are blessed to have you as an avid supporter of saving the wolves. I cannot thank you enough. What a wonderful article, the best that I have ever read. Thank you so much again have a great day.
Great article. State wildlife commissions, which often contain no biologists, pander to politicians and the livestock and hunting industries rather than adhering to sound science. What's happening now to wolves in the Northern Rockies and Great Lakes is a travesty. The states have already proven in just a very short time that they are entirely incapable of "managing" wolves. Wolves need permanent federal protection.
Thank you Marybeth...this is the best articles I have read on wolves! I hope and pray that this country will come to it's senses with regard to our wildlife and just LEAVE THEM ALONE....END TRAPPING ALSO!
Haber and Holleman have the guts to tell it like it is. Too bad the numbskulls at the likes of MFWP are too stupid to take notice.
The devastation of our natural ecosystem won't be completed until the last wolf is dead and there are no more furbearing animals to trap. Then it will be complete. Then we can pave our wilderness completely...it will be good for nothing else! The joke of our future will come when all of the photographers that come to our great parks to "see" and photograph them...can't find ONE left! It is coming soon and humans will be alone on this planet...so wear your fur and shoot your wolf....you are human....there is nothing stopping you...but yourself and since you have no conscience..guess that won't work will it!
Yes, this guy is a fool and his situation does not reflect the situations of the rest of the country in the wildland firefighting occupation. Just because CALFIRE employees are a bunch of weaklings and must sleep in hotels every night doesn't mean the rest of the wildland community must stoop to their thin skinned levels. And if you are in your current firefighting position to be in the spotlight you should grow up and do your job. The fire shelter you carry doesn't mean you should get your "H" pay because every wildland firefighter in America carries one as an absolute last resort survival tool (or in the case of jumpers, just to use as a $400 space blanky to stay warm while making coffee) and in many countries fire shelters are not carried because thinking comes before acting. And "working 16hrs a day" is not the same as WORKING 16HRS A DAY!!! This feeble minded complainer needs to find another federal job that will keep him warm at night and his three chin hairs shaven daily! Why do you think you are so great that the United States taxpayers should pay you to stuff your face with free food when you can't just shut your mouth and do your job in the first place? And where does he think that federal firefighters make less than state or private firefighters? Maybe in CA? And the Independent should have considered this and all the other mistakes and misleading comments this boy has made. As far as being forestry technicians instead of firefighters yes that does confuse me at some times but it is also very easy to understand. A majority of the time we(wildland firefighters) are doing many other things than fighting fire and if this boy did not understand that when he was hired, he should have quit his first season. As a Montana wildland firefighter, aka forestry tech, with just over 10 seasons of firefighting, I have traveled all throughout the western United States and even into the central states and I must say, with all honesty, that there is no worse place to work as either a private or an agency firefighter than in CA!!! And its not the environment, its not the fuels, and its not the steep loose terrain...it is the people! The people with attitude just like the one in this opinion article. So just so everyone knows, not all wildland firefighters/forestry techs whine like this one does, for the most part we are humble folks who bust ass when need be and strive to do the best we can with any situation that we may face. ONLY federal firefighters receive "HAZARD" pay (which is ridiculous in itself) and the majority of the rest of us enjoy our jobs, know what we signed up for, and are humble enough not to complain about being recognized for every thing we do!
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