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Re: “Earning an encore

It doesn't matter where you are, New Missoulians are LOUD, and quite rude in the process.
I've stopped going to many places because of this.

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Posted by Joe Bear on 08/23/2016 at 12:41 AM

Re: “Earning an encore

I was in the balcony for RA on Saturday night and Lake Street Dive on Tuesday night. It may have been the same crowd. Both drunk, both horrible, and more interested in hearing themselves than the any of the four acts. I can't say if they were worse for the opening acts of Gregory Alan Isakov or Amanda Shires because both are more quiet and contemplative acts but the noise level was cacophonous! In my 45 years of concert going, starting in 1972 with Led Zeppelin and ending with Lake Street Dive, I've not been in a ruder crowd. It seemed to me that a great many there had no real interest in hearing good music. I'll not be going to see acts at the Wilma again, nor do I think Ryan Adams will be back there. Thanks for being so classy Missoula...

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Posted by Groover on 08/22/2016 at 2:38 PM

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I can't comment on the Missoula show as I wasn't there, but I will say this. I saw RA years ago (1997?) in Boston at the Avalon. He didn't have much "showmanship" but he kept his head down and sang his heart out and it was a great show. Fast forward to 2015 in Portland Me where he threatened the audience several times about using flash photog due to a condition he has. He made ridiculous comments about how he's never been to Las Vegas and such, seemingly trying to strip any heartfelt meaning from his old music. Then berated people for calling out "old" songs which he refused to play. I understand artists want to showcase their recent work and can get tired of playing the same songs over and over however, I can tell you my 25 year old babysitter has not a clue who he is and he might want to appreciate the "old" fans he has before he goes extinct. I won't even comment on the Taylor Swift stunt. I think I'm not hipster enough to see the irony. Anyway, when I lived in Missoula in 1992-94, pearl Jam came through. I've seen them give amazing performances aside from this. Vedder held the show up for over an hour to finish watching basketball. Then came out drunk and obnoxious and was spitting on the audience and insulting people. Maybe Missoula just brings it out in people.

Posted by megirl on 08/20/2016 at 2:13 PM

Re: “Earning an encore

Why Can't You Ever Shut Up During A Concert?
http://gothamist.com/2014/07/10/do_shut_up_during_concerts.php

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Posted by Eric Rohrer on 08/19/2016 at 12:43 PM

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"Infamously, when someone shouted for "Summer of '69" at one of his concerts in Nashville in 2002, Adams stopped the show, unleashed a stream of profanity and refused to play until the man was escorted from the auditorium."

Infamously, lazy music writers (can't call you a journalist, that implies things like accuracy) across the USA love telling this story without knowing a damn thing about it. The real story is all over the Internet and has been known for years, so this is beyond laziness.

Let me try to sum it up..... He was playing an acoustic show at the Grand Old Opry/Ryman Auditorium and a very, very drunk person stood up in front and started yelling things for seven songs. After putting up with it for a half hour and security doing nothing, Adams gave the dude $40 (his cost of admission) and told him to go home. The "music writer" (again, not a journalist) who reported on this hated Adams and took advantage of the situation to get attention to his own career.

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Posted by JohnSnowsPump on 08/19/2016 at 11:25 AM

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Also Dan Brooks, you should check out Ryan's Live at Carnegie Hall. It's a 6 LP set of 216 minutes of Ryan playing. Not a single asshole in audience.

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Posted by Eric Rohrer on 08/19/2016 at 8:13 AM

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Bullshit article/"review". Although I wasn't at this show (a good friend was) I was at the Red Rocks show a few nights later. Here's something to think about... At Red Rocks - which holds 9,500 people (over 9000 were at the show). Despite allowed tailgating, selling beer and hard liquor in the venue, and marijuana being legal, there were no issues. Ryan went on to play 29 songs (even a do-over) up until curfew.

This isn't to say or imply that Coloradans are better behaved than Montanans. What it does say is that there was a disrespectful crowd in Missoula. People in Montana should really think about this versus blaming the artist. Here's why... As many of you in Montana know, it really is a treat when a popular artist decides to come play in your state. Let's face it, Montana is far away from just about everything. It costs an artist a lot money and time to make stops in places like Montana. From a financial and time perspective (not to mention small venues), they don't make a lot of money. The come to places like Missoula because they want to. Ryan can sell out Carnegie Hall in 10 minutes if he announced a show there tomorrow. So, when someone good comes to your state, be appreciative, not an asshole.

On Ryan's past behavior... Has Ryan been an asshole many years ago? As a die-hard fan I can't argue that. He has flipped out. But when was the last time that happened? I have been to many Ryan shows, and one in particular I remember him stopping the show and berating someone in the front row for continually talking. This went on for a good 5-7 minutes, but I have to say she deserved it. He continued playing after that and overall a great show. Were there those in the crowd in Missoula trying to bait him (sounds like it).

So I don't blame Ryan for taking the attitude of "We drove all the way to the middle of f'ng nowhere, making next to nothing doing it, out of the graciousness of our hearts to play for you, and you treat me like an asshole. OK, no encore."

I'm willing to bet Ryan never comes to your town again, Missoula. Nice job.

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Posted by Eric Rohrer on 08/19/2016 at 6:55 AM

Re: “Deafening silence

tell the people losing their homes to massive fires and floods in this country that this is normal.... come on people get real!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by Cj Rolphe on 08/18/2016 at 10:28 PM

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Live music is a connection between the audience and the performer. A performer who fails to connect/inspire/stimulate the audience will have a response that reflects this disconnect. A performer who can connect with the audience, no matter how drunk/drugged they are, will be rewarded with a grateful audience. The Wima/Top Hat venues are bringing in major shows and therefore, Missoula is now in a position to have discerning taste as opposed to having to sit through a poor performance.

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Posted by Melissa Lynn on 08/18/2016 at 3:28 PM

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My wife and I were at that Tig Nataro show and I have to say we got a completely different impression of what happened. Initially the audience was excited and respectful, but nearly right off the bat Tig began asking very non-retorical questions and then refused to proceed with the show until someone in the audience gave her an answer. Before the first person finally obliged her, I was already getting frustrated with the direction she was going. She didn't loose control. She handed it over voluntarily. She was fishing for hecklers from the start, so nobody should be surprised that she found some. I went to that show as a big fan of her's, and I left the show not very interested in ever hearing another one of her jokes ever again.

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Posted by Jon on 08/18/2016 at 3:03 PM

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Great piece and really glad to see my thoughts and feelings on the matter validated.

The Wilma has become a big, giant version of the top hat--just without the food.

I'm with adams in so much that the audience was pretty rude...but i'm w/ the audience in the fact that ryan adams has an obligation to act like an adult and professional and not call out audience members and especially don't call them names or cuss them out.

Case in point...saw Isakov this past tuesday.....same problem...noisy and chatty and drunken audience (okay, maybe not drunken...but definitely lubed up).

Can't say that kind of audience would have bothered me at the top hat...cause just last september i saw isakov there too....and it was loud as heck w/ all the bar clinkin' and all the patron chatter.

isakov acted like a true professional on both occasions and played on through the audience....but it was really frustrating for me, as an audience member that paid to see both isakov and lake street dive and end up having to try to filter out a couple hundred conversations.

Can't say i'll pay to see a show at the Wilma....it's not for me...i'll stick to the top hat from here on out....unless, the Wilma can put up some glass walls or something to keep the noise from the foyer and bar areas from entering the main stage and GA.

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Posted by Bye bye Wilma on 08/18/2016 at 2:40 PM

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You left out a critical piece of the story Dan. Ryan Adams came out to personally introduce the amazing Amanda Shires, urging the audience to show her the same respect they would show him and his band. I suspect he did this in anticipation of the audience not being respectful to her because her music tends to be on the quiet/mellow side, especially when it is just her without a band. Sure enough, two songs into her set the murmur of the crowd was deafening (and embarrassing). As she continued with her set the audience kept right on talking right up to the point she concluded, obviously unhappy with the lack of respect and decorum, with an antagonistic jab at those who obviously found their own conversations much more entertaining than her music. I was so excited when I found out she was opening and I was anticipating her joining RA on stage, maybe even for a Whiskeytown classic but after the behavior of the audience during her set I knew it was going to be a weird show. Yes Ryan Adams has a reputation for being a jerk at times but he's been much better the past couple of years and in fact his show at Big Sky Brewing last year was one of the best shows I've ever seen. This debacle of a concert was not about Ryan Adams being a jerk and he wasn't scolding anyone for talking over his set. He was scolding people for lacking the common decency to show an amazing artist like Amanda Shires some respect. I'm not sure why you would spend the money on a ticket to go to this show and then talk over the opening act. I'm not sure why you would spend the money to go to the show and then taunt the artist with the same old "summer of 69" B.S. that has set him off in the past. I don't get it. No Shires/Adams duets, no Adams encore and I don't know why anyone is surprised at this. I've only been to a few shows in Missoula, one of which was the aforementioned Ryan Adams show at Big Sky, and they've all been great. This one was beyond disappointing and I just hope that people get the connection between showing a complete lack of respect and decorum and in return getting the show they deserve (though not the show that the quiet and respectful majority deserved).

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Posted by Jason Orzechowski on 08/18/2016 at 2:40 PM

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Great piece, Dan. As someone who's seen boorish audience behavior from both sides of the stage, I agree that you can't paint Missoula concert-goers with a broad brush. Neither can you say it's entirely generational, or point to our inability to ignore our phones for an hour. The problem is that wherever there's a crowd, a certain percentage of them will be assholes. An asshole is self-absorbed, inconsiderate, rude--just a one-way street. Short of someone coming up with the technology or method that can cull the assholes at the venue door ("Have you ever taken up two parking spaces? Do you spit your gum out on the sidewalk?"), this has to be a grass roots effort. Assholes rebuff strangers, but they might listen to their friends. We all know at least one asshole. If you don't, well, guess what--you're it. Tell your asshole friend who won't shut up at the show that you should all focus on the entertainment and chat later. When he or she wants to show you a Vine on their phone, don't capitulate. It's up to all of us to help change this onerous behavior at concerts, and we can do it one asshole at a time.

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Posted by Ednor Therriault on 08/18/2016 at 11:58 AM

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"Everyone, from the Metropolitan Opera House to the gymnasium at Lewis and Clark Elementary, knows that when a show is happening you shut up and look at the stage."

Nope, not in Missoula. I've been to concerts all over Montana and only in Missoula are people as rude as you described. I've quit going to a lot of shows because I don't want to have to listen to or argue with someone who thinks they have the right to talk through a concert.

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Posted by Sad To Say, But . . . on 08/18/2016 at 11:57 AM

Re: “Deafening silence

NEWS FLASH... That's what Glaciers do at some point, they retreat and eventually vanish. Ask professor Steven Running at UM, who pointed out that about 12,000 years ago there were millions of acres in Montana that were covered in hundreds, even thousands of feet thick glaciers. Can you imagine the climate change needed to first form those huge glaciers and then pretty rapidly melting them completely??? No man burning fossil fuels. How could that happen?? Easy answer, that is what mother nature does and has been doing for eons, all WITHOUT ANY influence by man.

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Posted by jr2jr2000 on 08/18/2016 at 11:53 AM

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"It's tempting to say audiences in Missoula don't know how to act, but that's not true. Everyone, from the Metropolitan Opera House to the gymnasium at Lewis and Clark Elementary, knows that when a show is happening you shut up and look at the stage." You hit the nail on the head here. I was at this show and Bruce Hornsby the week before and both had some horrible audience members. Granted, the sound for Bruce Hornsby was awful but the individuals next to us in premium balcony seating talked louder as the music got louder, apologized for it and then continued the chatter throughout the show. Ryan Adams sound was great but the audience was not. Aside from the sad disappointment, we had also spent over $400 between sitters and tickets to enjoy a rare night out listening to two of our favorite musicians.

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Posted by AMW on 08/18/2016 at 10:17 AM

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Nobody is allowed onstage with big fake amps like that except Neil Young.

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Posted by Buzz Feedback on 08/18/2016 at 10:09 AM

Re: “Deafening silence

Why did they have no qualms about staying quiet before?

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Posted by Greg Strandberg on 08/18/2016 at 9:15 AM

Re: “Collateral damage

It's a pathetic, sickening affair to watch conservatives throw their honor and wholesome ideology out the window in support of trump.

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Posted by Dan Patterson on 08/11/2016 at 7:15 PM

Re: “Taken for a ride

Ellie Hill=pure slime

Posted by carr on 08/08/2016 at 10:04 AM

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