The State has 6 lawyers ??? These folks have one?? This reminds me of "One flew over the" you know the rest. What a sad state we live in when we can't even take care of our most needy ones and they end up warehoused like animals. This is criminal and I hope these poor folks can somehow find justice in a broken system that has ignored them for who knows how long.
This is insane. How the Missoula city council thinks this ordinance is somehow a good idea is beyond me. It's unconstitutional. It's wasting taxpayers' money. And I don't know of one, single gunowner that supports this, contrary to what the article says.
absolutely a ridiculous ordinance/law babble , what ever you want to call it. It does nothing but take away a law abiding citizens rights, and on top of that, a person could just go outside the city limits and the sale is legal, does that make sense. If it does to you your not seeing the whole picture, the money and time spent to defend such a dumb law, don't they have anything else to do down there at city hall besides harass Montana folks??
Well they didn't let the meat go to waste in Leisure Park when they left the bones and the head...POACHERS FOR SURE!!!!!!!!!!
President Engstrom is being asked to leave.....Yes.....engstrom is done as of 12/31/16...WoooHooo.
Happy U of M employee!!!
Just to put a point on it, the lead FS official at the time of the supposed Westside project "collaboration" with the local homeowners and the Bitterroot Restoration Committee said after the timber sale was OK'd, The Bitterroot Restoration Committee actually works on a consensus basis. And have to admit my observation would be on this particular project, as well as on certain other issues I dont believe that theyve met that consensus at this point in time.
One of the main complaints in the ongoing litigation, as well as in the 17 citizen Objections, is the lack of "collaboration". The Objections were dismissed out of hand It seems certain FS officials confirm that claim, now that the NEPA process is over.
The reason this is important, and the way to understand the FS rush to dismiss the failure to genuinely collaborate, is that "collaboration" is required by law to take the analysis shortcuts they took as well as to access the pots of taxpayer money they are using to implement the timber sale. The self-acknowledged failure to legitimately collaborate makes this timber sale and the use of special tax funding illegitimate/illegal.
It is worth noting that one of the fundamental purposes of the clamor for "collaboration" is to give extra weight to local opinions on forest management. The fact that so many of the Objections were from the most local citizens, local homeowners, shows that the concept is not working in practice. Nor should it, in my opinion. Citizens all across the US own that land equally. We locals already earn a bonus by being able to enjoy it on a daily basis. What would you think if residents of Manhattan agreed to sell off parts of the Statue of Liberty to help their local economy. This policy would create a fire sale of public assets by local interests for their own local benefit, which is what we see with our public forests.
I prefer the NEPA process, which gives all Americans an equal voice in commenting on projects that effect their equally owned public land heritage, even if they can't travel hundreds or thousands of miles to attend meetings in Hamilton, Montana. I don't want to have to go to NY to defend the Statue of Liberty from being sold off as trinkets.
Thanks to the Missoula Indy for continued coverage of this issue.
For whatever it's worth, here's more information about what Ryan Domsalla, West Fork District Ranger of the Bitterroot National Forest, said at the Western Governors National Forest and Rangeland Management Initiative meeting in Missoula on September 21, 2016 about the Westside Collaborative Vegetation Project, collaboration and the Bitterroot Restoration Committee.
"This [the Westside Collaborative Vegetation Project] was one of the governors Forests in Focus Initiative Projects. We received about $136,900 for this. That particular (state) money was able to expedite the project as well as make it a priority for the Bitterroot National Forest..The expedited nature of the project. definitely curtailed the time that we had to do some collaboration with some adjacent landowners as well as with some of our stakeholders and user groups. You know, like I said, it didnt allow us a lot of time to establish that trust, that communication that is necessary for truly honest and open collaboration. Certainly we worked with the State of Montana DNRC to move forward with much of the project prior to actually making the decision, which I think expedited things. But honest and truly I think we can do better there.
The Bitterroot Restoration Committee actually works on a census basis. And have to admit my observation would be on this particular project, as well as on certain other issues I dont believe that theyve met that consensus at this point in time.
- Ryan Domsalla, West Fork District Ranger of the Bitterroot National Forest
Anyone can verify these official statements from a Bitterroot National Forest official by watching the actual panel from the WGA meeting here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtySlCka6l…
It should also be pointed out that apparently Wayne Hedman, chair of the Bitterroot Restoration Committee, had prevented a fellow Bitterroot Restoration Committee member from sharing this video and Ranger Ryan Domsallas comments with the rest of the Bitterroot Restoration Committee members earlier this fall. Why do you suppose that would be?
I believe most people have enough intelligence to see through the alt right propaganda in the first 4 comments here. They are obviously posted by the same group of a-holes that this article is about. The air of the 3rd and 4th comments suggest that they are made by white bigot/s to stir anger in other white people, inspire a defense. I would not normally find it necessary to post the obvious, but some sort of rationalism is evidently not prevailing here and now. Maybe common sense and decency among fellow Americans is being underrepresented. As a Montanan, I'd just assume this secular group of MT "alt right" stay here and crawl back in their little hole, they can have it, that's why this is America and Montana. Richard Spencer stays quiet behind his think tank here, because he knows that Montanans would be quick to put him and his cohorts in their place, if they were to get too cocky. He is bordered by two of Montana's largest Indian Reservations, and the majority of Montanans are staunch against racism. We still have WWII veterans, and we haven't forgot those who died standing up against the Nazis in Europe. White Nationalists will never be welcome among the majority, here or anywhere.
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