Too many grazing animals huh ? you ought to take better care of the wolves, and they'd thin them down for you.
Please: If you support a full comprehensive cleanup of the site that would make the area safe for future homes that may be built in the site, not to mention the many neighbors who already live nearby, make sure you submit an opinion by March 30th to:
Montana Department of Environmental Quality
Scott Graham State Superfund Section
P.O. Box 200901
Helena, MT 59620
submitted electronically to:
OR go to the public meeting on Tuesday May 11 5:30 at the Red Lion Inn in Missoula.
I agree, Jean - I don't see much teeth in this regulation.
Why don't we just hook these drones up to our Playstations so we can sit in our easy chair with a cold one while bagging our elk? I mean, why have the hassle of hiking through frozen forests in sub-zero weather?
Honestly, I see the headline for this and I'm not sure if I should shake my head or laugh. Drones for hunting, are you serious? It sounds more like an insult to me.
I've never gone hunting. My parents were two state accountants in Helena and only a few uncles and friends hunted. I always felt hunting's really a family thing, and it's too bad the number of hunters is going down. Walking around with your sons or daughters away from the TV for a few days is something we need more of.
Drones? Eh, not so much.
Candidate - House District 98
We need more Startup Weekends, and maybe workshops for our students around the state in the summer.
Montana has such a great opportunity to seize a lot of this internet money out there. We've got smart people here that are also hard workers - that's a winning combination that start-ups are founded upon.
The networking aspect is also immense. When you go to these things you can meet people with similar ideas. I know from experience that it just might be 1 sentence in a 10-minute talk that helps you figure out that one missing piece to the puzzle you've been agonizing over.
I'm glad Missoula is hosting these and I hope we can continue to lead the way in laying the groundwork for these clean and green businesses to not only locate here, but come from here.
Candidate - House District 98
The ban should happen. How much you want to bet there is no way to enforce it and that some (or many) hunters will still use drones?
Did Gianforte also share his ideas about creationism, homophobia, and illuminati conspiracies with Weber during their tete-a-tete?
Compromise seems like a sensible solution to this issue.
Back in the day people did business in ways we might frown on now. Often this meant pouring stuff out on the ground and the like. It's just how things were done.
So who's paying this $7.9 million? I think a large portion should come from Huttig, but not all - they may have bought up the liabilities, but they didn't create them.
Scott Street Group might be out a bit, but I don't think they or Zip Beverage really did anything wrong here, at least from this story.
So that leaves a triangle of taxpayers picking up the bill, whether it's through the state DEQ, the City of Missoula, or the feds. I think we need to have an inverted triangle with that, most of the money coming from the feds at the top.
I think we should also factor in time here, since a lot of people have been waiting around for this to get fixed, and business opportunities have also been lost because of that.
In that regard, what I and probably many of those residents are worried about is that nothing will happen and this issue will just be kicked down the road for their kids to worry about. That's not a solution, that's just a much larger problem later on.
Candidate - House District 98
Can you please post an update on the case?
Good comments, Trevion.
What would you propose we do to ease our state off of coal?
Candidate - House District 98
When reading the comment sections, here are some patterns we can see in people's responses to this type of work:
1) The person quoted in the article or piece will be attacked for a hypocrisy that is unavoidable in the world we live in. i.e. "but they drove there." What, only people living off-the-grid are allowed to speak out against fossil fuels? One can be within an unjust system and still speak out about it, whether or not they can extract themselves from it right away.
2) The person leading a rally will often be attacked as though he or she is the only person making these points, rather than recognizing they represent many other people, both now and for future generations. There will never be a single individual who won't somehow live with a paradox or hypocrisy- this is the complexity of our world. To attack the person is a way to not address the problem.
3) When it's students or grad students, we can expect the "don't bite the hand that feeds you" idea: in this case, because coal helped fund and build UM, a UM student can't or shouldn't talk about coal. If we support education, and support people contributing to society by going to college, part of that must include the ability for students to have the freedom to question orthodoxy and help design a better world.
4) If someone doesn't offer an immediate solution, then the truth they speak is undermined. As above: "until you come up with a viable solution to the issue or how to move it as in this article, you’re just smoke on the water. Another soapbox hero with nothing to offer other than your mouth." How could one young man or any small group of people know what the alternative for humanity is right now? But that doesn't mean we can't actively work towards de-emphasizing the practices that are killing us and our planet (the extraction and burning of fossil fuels) so that there will be TIME LATER to work out how the future will look. We fight cancer right away the best we can, whether or not we can cure it yet.
5) The "it's been going on for a while now, so it must be fine" argument. That's a false corollary. It isn't true, because we are in completely new territory here– there's never been this much coal passing through town with this many people affected before. There's never been 8 billion people before. There's never been pesticides in the water at these levels before. We've altered the climate this dramatically before. Just because it's sort-of working before does not mean it will continue to be fine.
6) The "it's going to happen anyway, so why fight it?" Think of all the injustices and wrongs that have happened in the world– would you really stand by and watch it happen because "it's going to happen anyway.?" Hell no! You wouldn't be a victim then of that mentality then, nor should you be now! We have power in this democracy, right?! Nothing unjust, unhealthy, and undemocratic should be allowed to happen in our state without us speaking up against it!
So there you go, 6 patterns we are prone to make in response to difficult issues. No one is bad for making them, in fact our modern media loves it when we fight right away– it thrives on perpetuating narratives that divide us rather than unite us. But look for these patterns in our thinking and be ready to try to think past them- they aren't helping us!
As long as we are kept in a state of arguing about whether or not the guy at a podium is legit enough to be making a point we all need to hear, then the corporate forces who are profiting from our suffering will continue on their tax-payer-funded, un-questioned, un-interrupted quest to do as they please with no regard for "We the people." I, for one, believe that this country is incredible BECAUSE we have people like these demonstrators who are out, truly learning about an issue, and then deciding that they can sit idly by and watch our world carry on the oil-garchy's insanity.
Here's my take: let's all learn more. One good place for more info is www.coaltrainfacts.org Inspect this site, then try to learn more– weigh the arguments, think about the future, think about the morality, and consider future generations.
Now, will the subsequent commentators attack me, or can we talk about the issue this article is really about?
thanks for reading-
With enrollment down by 6.9%, I believe that was reported in the Missoulian 2 days ago, I'm pretty confident it's in the best interests of the university to tackle this issue, as well as Missoula County.
Will that happen? I'm not holding my breath. For the university the most important thing is money, and right now they have to figure out how to prop up their budget because of the problems their poor policies and procedures have brought about.
The students? Ha, we don't care about them! Give us your money for 4 years and then get the hell out of here, especially if you're from out of state. Hey, that's our attitude, right? For every student violated at the university, everyone's tuition goes up.
Since most of the leadership that was around when these problems developed are still there, again, I'm not holding my breath. But then you've got dozens of administrators, again, many from out of state, making $100,000 or more each year.
Folks, if I was making that much money I'd be so out of touch with the base concerns and issues that the people of Missoula care about that it wouldn't even be funny.
Expect enrollments at UM to be down for several years because of this and local businesses to suffer. I'd image quite a few will go out of business because of lost revenue traced to the university. Oh, and that student debt crisis that is ensuring whatever future the young generation will have is shitty at best and suicide-inducing at worst? Yeah, that'll just get worse.
Hey, we'll still have the games on Saturday, and a winning basketball team that hardly anyone cares about, but we won't have any high-tech and green companies of the future coming here. After all, I'm sure many of those executives have daughters.
Those extraction companies will continue to come, probably to the eastern part of the state where a lot of these social problems are present and in a much-greater extent. Hey, it's just business as usual.
Do we want that?
Candidate - House District 98
You would think that since trains have been haling coal thru Missoula for the last 100 years we would see some of all these health implications. So happy to see a graduate student out complaining about coal when coal and the railroad has put millions upon millions into the U of M.
This should be a good program if it is not all smoke and mirrors. Let's just be sure that the University does not get involved and obstruct justice as in the past. As a community the responsibility for justice rests in the hands of everyone. Speak out for the victims of such crimes and demand justice be served in spite of the pressures from special interests.
I could not imagine the mental damage done to so many who have stepped forward to report the rape and been met with humiliation and devise by both the University and the Sheriff's office. Oh by the way, just how many officials went to jail over that last cover up for the rape of that young woman? Not one person from the Sheriff's office nor from the University went to jail for obstruction of justice in that last case. A couple of coaches left with a great severance package.
Just how did it turn out for the victim? She will never be the same. Her life and mind has been scarred, and her sense of value as a part of your community has been destroyed. Let's hope this program is for real. When the violent crime of rape is dealt with and justice is served properly this incidents of rape will diminish. Rape is a violent act of overpowering and the enslaving another person. It has nothing to do with sex it is all about power! This has to stop!
Good article Jessica.
I love articles like this. Why you ask? Because every last single individual at this gathering uses the very same product to light there home or to keep warm. So I say until you come up with a viable solution to the issue or how to move it as in this article, you’re just smoke on the water. Another soapbox hero with nothing to offer other than your mouth.
It’s like the protesters that shout how bad drilling for oil is and how it destroys the environment as they pump gas into their vehicles to drive to the protest as they complain about the high price.
You nailed it alf and I do agree that it’s an ancient impractical way to fuel America but what else is there? Nuclear power is one way but then you have the leftover fuel that powers the reactor and the protesters that use the very same power hate it. This list could go on and on.
How about a real viable solution to an issue other than this sort of dribble.
Coal is 19th century energy and burning it is 19th century technology.
"Clean Coal" is Brian Schweizer's wet dream : there is no such thing, there never will be, and anyone who claims otherwise is living in a fantasy world.
Coal extraction and use is capitalism at its worse, where the profits of a few are maximized and profiteers wash their hands of the very considerable costs, dumping them on the rest of society.
Ok, I try to be as fair to issues like this as much as I can. I believe that responsible hunters have rights to hunt just like I believe that responsible gun owners have the right to keep and collect weapons. I also believe that activist for the wolf and most other species lie out of the hole below their nose just like I believe that big government is bad.
I see things in black and white and I use research before I make most comments on an issue I’m unsure of, if I comment at all.
But this is just BS. Plain and simple BS. I completely agree with you alf.
Believe me, I've know a lot of people in my life that I'd love to take a giant dump on their graves; and I don't think I'm alone in that attitude.
I absolutely love my pets and they are a big part of my family but I’m totally onboard with Tami Mitchell and how she felt. Taking your pet to the cemetery to exercise it is stupid given all the locations you can take them within the city or the county.
If you’re a pet owner who must take your pet to the cemetery to visit a deceased love one I say let the pet defecate and urinate on your loved one and not others. Then there no problem but I bet that won’t happen.
If you’re a pet owner who just wants to walk there dog in the cemetery because you’re too lazy to take it elsewhere then you need to take responsibility for your pet and accept the ticket I hope you get for its actions. That is if there is such a law and if not I would back one being implemented.
If the dog or cat is a stray then the cemetery staff should be calling animal control and cleaning up after the stray animal.
How utterly disrespectful for someone to do such a thing!
Rather than slaughter -- or in addition to slaughter -- I'm sure they could find tribes and/or ranchers who want, or at least would be willing to try, some bison.
From everything I've heard and read, the meat is healthier than domestic cow, and the few times I've eaten it, I thought it was every bit as good, if not better.
The brucellosis argument is about 99.99% a straw dog. Vaccinate your cattle, and the problem goes away -- Duh ! What's really at stake is that the livestock industry, which has virtually controlled western state legislatures since statehood, are AFRAID OF LOSING CONTROL, AND THEY WANT TO KEEP CONTROL.
About the only argument against bison that I think may be valid is that they're hard to fence -- but here in eastern Idaho, where I live, the damn lazy ranchers don't maintain their fences anyhow, so that's a moot point.
Boy, this is a tough issue. Most people consider their dogs to be part of their family, and visiting a grave with them makes sense in a way.
But c'mon, who are these irresponsible people causing this problem? Would doggy-bags by the entrance help? Not that anyone would really want to look at those.
How about staff walking the grounds and cleaning that up themselves? I sure wouldn't want to do that, however.
So cameras? Ha, that's just silly.
In the end what I think'll happen is that whenever dogs are brought to the cemetery they'll be watched like hawks by the staff, but after a few weeks or a few months that'll fade away and there's a good chance this issue could come up again.
Perhaps we just need to realize there'll always be some bad apples and inconveniences and we just have to live with it.
Candidate - House District 98
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