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Re: “Backcountry Hunters and Anglers proposes a Quiet Waters Initiative

BCH and Anglers is not a green anything but a group of highly professional folks dedicated to keeping our great public ground public and keeping an eye out for things to come. They make a 4 wheeler that also is amphibious, that is over kill in my opinion. The jet skis have killed off nesting ground for loons in the lakes they fly around in since they don't respect the posted signs near nests and even go up stream on the tiny Clearwater river out of Salmon lake. If you saw moose hunters in AK with airboats flying through willow patches off rivers like i have seen to spook a bull out so they can shoot it you would be on the band wagon! These folks work hard with all parties, don't have a "green" agenda, maybe if anyone thinks other wise check their office out, talk to them, get a free copy of their latest magazine. They do a lot for you and me, our kids, and our Grand kids, I could go on but you can see they are for all folks all walks of life and not species specific.

Posted by Tom Kloote on 12/09/2016 at 4:34 PM

Re: “Switching gears

Why has the independent and Missoula City Council asked Ms Jackson why she is looking for donors while she is a multimillionaire.

Posted by Curious about Tanner's greedy mother on 12/09/2016 at 2:45 PM

Re: “The Interior Dept. just delivered $270 million in buy-back offers to consolidate Blackfeet reservation land in tribal hands

If I had one to bet, I think I could safely bet my ranch that the dollar amount the Interior Department agreed to in the Cobell settlement was only pennies on the dollar of what they actually owed the First Nations people (never mind the accrued interest due), after 100 or more years of incompetent bookkeeping and accounting and intentionally, systematically screwing them over, including outright criminal fraud.

Posted by alf on 12/08/2016 at 2:33 PM

Re: “Backcountry Hunters and Anglers proposes a Quiet Waters Initiative

The radicals and extremists are, obviously, Jennifer Fielder and the American Lands Council and their ilk, not BHA and its supporters who, as the article points out, merely want to maintain the status quo.

I love the way the ALC and the motorheads and their cohorts have co-opted the language. Just a few common examples : "Multiple Use" now has the connotation of only extractive uses - logging, mining and grazing; "recreation" and "access" have come to mean only - in their minds - motorized recreation and access. What do they think they have legs and feet for ? Looking at most of them, getting their fat asses off their motorized contraptions and walking or skiing some of that lard off would do them a world of good.

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Posted by alf on 12/08/2016 at 2:17 PM

Re: “Pretty hate machine

Leave with your Tin pot furher , Trumpnazis.

Posted by John McKee on 12/08/2016 at 1:24 PM

Re: “Backcountry Hunters and Anglers proposes a Quiet Waters Initiative

Delighted to read the account of the closing of Missoula`s rivers to motorized watercraft. I was involved in that worthy and successful effort. Nobody had a job title but mine would have been designated bitcher. The FWP did a very thorough and conscientious job of examining the issues both pro and con. The Clarkfork Coalition teamed with a number of local river-use organizations teamed up to represent opposition to the power boaters who didnt bother showing up until the fourth hearing. Then they showed up bigtime!
FWP was forced to move the meeting to a bigger venue. The power boaters out-numbered the flyfishermen, inner tubers, dog-walkers, rock-skippers and yes, tree- huggers by a considerable margin. TheMainEvent started with an accusation from the power boaters that the objection they were adressing was initiated by Green tree-huggers from California that were out to own the river for themselves. The response was quick and heated. The Rockthrower General confronted his youthful accusor by stating that he (the Rockthrower General ) had lived in Missoula since 1960. He accosted the power boat spokesperson asking "how long have you been here Sonney?" Things went downhill from there. But one chief objection had been put to rest. The protesting consortium was from Missoula!

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Posted by smedley on 12/08/2016 at 11:30 AM

Re: “Backcountry Hunters and Anglers proposes a Quiet Waters Initiative

The "Green Decoys" are a sly way of appearing to be hunters, fishermen, etc when they are really extreme environmentalists.

For example,Jackson Hole has at least a dozen of the "Green Decoy" organizations which ask for donations from hunters, fishermen, motorized recreationists only to use that money to close the forest to all but their interests.

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Posted by Stewards of the Greys on 12/08/2016 at 10:43 AM

Re: “UM to start ranking programs—and cutting losses

This piece is really smart and, from a limited-view spot on the inside, accurate. Nice work, Derek.

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Posted by julebanville on 12/08/2016 at 10:03 AM

Re: “After six years of growth, Missoula's curling scene is ready for an ice place to call home.

I'm in! Just gotta figure out some way to stay in Missoula over the winter! I love curling. It's in my blood and bones. Just ask David, he knows what it's like. Next winter, I'm curling even if I've gotta sleep in a dumpster. Tim

Posted by Tim Blunderbust on 12/08/2016 at 9:39 AM

Re: “UM to start ranking programs—and cutting losses

I got a degree in History from UM in 2008. I can tell you, cuts to the History Department are just fine. I say that because I know the faculty and the lecture halls can only do so much. In fact, they don't really do anything. It's your willingness to get to the library, read your books, and do your writing that's important...not some old fogey dependent on your tuition dollars to pay for his healthcare and retirement.

I've written 7 history books and UM had nothing to do with that. It was my own decision, my own get-up-and-go, and my own hard work and discipline.

Students - and graduates - succeed because of how much they care and how much they work, not because of the size of their program or department.

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Posted by Greg Strandberg on 12/08/2016 at 8:46 AM

Re: “Westside project barrels ahead

I don't want to disrespect the private landowners' issues in this lawsuit, which as far as I can tell are legitimate. However, from my work that involved writing comments and the Objection to the Westside timber sale, there are more profound issues that relate to the direct damage to national forest land from logging and road construction. And of course, the fact that taxpayers are subsidizing timber mills, based upon fraudulent agency and industry "science." This pseudoscience is based on the false proposition that nature can't heal the forests, if humans jsut get out of the way. And that somehow these fire-prone ecosystems can be made safe for homeowners by logging miles away from homes. In other words, they want to "make the forests great again!"

This is the exact same propaganda the Forest Service is using to justify logging all over the national forest system. And that should be of concern to all of us national forest "landowners"--the American public.

These issues get left behind when the media focus on these more narrow private interests.

Posted by Jeff Juel on 12/07/2016 at 12:29 PM

Re: “Ill treatment

The State has 6 lawyers ??? These folks have one?? This reminds me of "One flew over the" you know the rest. What a sad state we live in when we can't even take care of our most needy ones and they end up warehoused like animals. This is criminal and I hope these poor folks can somehow find justice in a broken system that has ignored them for who knows how long.

Posted by Tom Kloote on 12/03/2016 at 1:42 PM

Re: “Who’s calling the shots on Missoula’s gun ordinance?

This is insane. How the Missoula city council thinks this ordinance is somehow a good idea is beyond me. It's unconstitutional. It's wasting taxpayers' money. And I don't know of one, single gunowner that supports this, contrary to what the article says.

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Posted by Shane Tuttle on 12/03/2016 at 12:53 PM

Re: “Who’s calling the shots on Missoula’s gun ordinance?

absolutely a ridiculous ordinance/law babble , what ever you want to call it. It does nothing but take away a law abiding citizens rights, and on top of that, a person could just go outside the city limits and the sale is legal, does that make sense. If it does to you your not seeing the whole picture, the money and time spent to defend such a dumb law, don't they have anything else to do down there at city hall besides harass Montana folks??

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Posted by trad man on 12/02/2016 at 5:15 PM

Re: “Poaching by the numbers

Well they didn't let the meat go to waste in Leisure Park when they left the bones and the head...POACHERS FOR SURE!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Cj Rolphe on 12/01/2016 at 12:45 PM

Re: “Panic attack at UM

President Engstrom is being asked to leave.....Yes.....engstrom is done as of 12/31/16...WoooHooo.
Happy U of M employee!!!

Posted by yennj on 12/01/2016 at 11:17 AM

Re: “Westside project barrels ahead

Just to put a point on it, the lead FS official at the time of the supposed Westside project "collaboration" with the local homeowners and the Bitterroot Restoration Committee said after the timber sale was OK'd, The Bitterroot Restoration Committee actually works on a consensus basis. And have to admit my observation would be on this particular project, as well as on certain other issues I dont believe that theyve met that consensus at this point in time.

One of the main complaints in the ongoing litigation, as well as in the 17 citizen Objections, is the lack of "collaboration". The Objections were dismissed out of hand It seems certain FS officials confirm that claim, now that the NEPA process is over.

The reason this is important, and the way to understand the FS rush to dismiss the failure to genuinely collaborate, is that "collaboration" is required by law to take the analysis shortcuts they took as well as to access the pots of taxpayer money they are using to implement the timber sale. The self-acknowledged failure to legitimately collaborate makes this timber sale and the use of special tax funding illegitimate/illegal.

It is worth noting that one of the fundamental purposes of the clamor for "collaboration" is to give extra weight to local opinions on forest management. The fact that so many of the Objections were from the most local citizens, local homeowners, shows that the concept is not working in practice. Nor should it, in my opinion. Citizens all across the US own that land equally. We locals already earn a bonus by being able to enjoy it on a daily basis. What would you think if residents of Manhattan agreed to sell off parts of the Statue of Liberty to help their local economy. This policy would create a fire sale of public assets by local interests for their own local benefit, which is what we see with our public forests.

I prefer the NEPA process, which gives all Americans an equal voice in commenting on projects that effect their equally owned public land heritage, even if they can't travel hundreds or thousands of miles to attend meetings in Hamilton, Montana. I don't want to have to go to NY to defend the Statue of Liberty from being sold off as trinkets.

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Posted by Larry Campbell on 12/01/2016 at 10:50 AM

Re: “Westside project barrels ahead

Thanks to the Missoula Indy for continued coverage of this issue.

For whatever it's worth, here's more information about what Ryan Domsalla, West Fork District Ranger of the Bitterroot National Forest, said at the Western Governors National Forest and Rangeland Management Initiative meeting in Missoula on September 21, 2016 about the Westside Collaborative Vegetation Project, collaboration and the Bitterroot Restoration Committee.

"This [the Westside Collaborative Vegetation Project] was one of the governors Forests in Focus Initiative Projects. We received about $136,900 for this. That particular (state) money was able to expedite the project as well as make it a priority for the Bitterroot National Forest..The expedited nature of the project. definitely curtailed the time that we had to do some collaboration with some adjacent landowners as well as with some of our stakeholders and user groups. You know, like I said, it didnt allow us a lot of time to establish that trust, that communication that is necessary for truly honest and open collaboration. Certainly we worked with the State of Montana DNRC to move forward with much of the project prior to actually making the decision, which I think expedited things. But honest and truly I think we can do better there.

The Bitterroot Restoration Committee actually works on a census basis. And have to admit my observation would be on this particular project, as well as on certain other issues I dont believe that theyve met that consensus at this point in time.

- Ryan Domsalla, West Fork District Ranger of the Bitterroot National Forest

Anyone can verify these official statements from a Bitterroot National Forest official by watching the actual panel from the WGA meeting here:…

It should also be pointed out that apparently Wayne Hedman, chair of the Bitterroot Restoration Committee, had prevented a fellow Bitterroot Restoration Committee member from sharing this video and Ranger Ryan Domsallas comments with the rest of the Bitterroot Restoration Committee members earlier this fall. Why do you suppose that would be?

Posted by Matthew Koehler on 12/01/2016 at 9:51 AM

Re: “Pretty hate machine

I believe most people have enough intelligence to see through the alt right propaganda in the first 4 comments here. They are obviously posted by the same group of a-holes that this article is about. The air of the 3rd and 4th comments suggest that they are made by white bigot/s to stir anger in other white people, inspire a defense. I would not normally find it necessary to post the obvious, but some sort of rationalism is evidently not prevailing here and now. Maybe common sense and decency among fellow Americans is being underrepresented. As a Montanan, I'd just assume this secular group of MT "alt right" stay here and crawl back in their little hole, they can have it, that's why this is America and Montana. Richard Spencer stays quiet behind his think tank here, because he knows that Montanans would be quick to put him and his cohorts in their place, if they were to get too cocky. He is bordered by two of Montana's largest Indian Reservations, and the majority of Montanans are staunch against racism. We still have WWII veterans, and we haven't forgot those who died standing up against the Nazis in Europe. White Nationalists will never be welcome among the majority, here or anywhere.

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Posted by ... on 11/29/2016 at 8:39 AM

Re: “Pretty hate machine

I am offended by this article, mainly the title. Nine Inch Nails never hurt anyone.

Patrick Klemz
Vienna, VA

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Posted by klemz on 11/27/2016 at 10:33 AM

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