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Re: “"I'm not scared. I have a gun."

You all are entitled to your opinions. Are you all without sin, that you feel you can cast that first stone. Did you all live behind those closed doors of Heather and Dan to cast such judgement? Have you all never been in your 20's before and never made bad choices that affected others around you? Didn't think could have easily happened to anyone of us!! There is few that it does happen to, but when it does happen to those few, you grow up fast, you are remorseful, you do blame yourself and know you have to live with this everyday for the rest of your life. But does anyone ever realize that all played a part in such a tragic situation? Everyone makes decisions everyday, whether right or wrong. You all get just the basic outlines of the intimate details...don't judge until you have walked in their shoes!!

Posted by mlk2010 on 09/14/2014 at 9:37 AM

Re: “Ivory Republican

Do any of you truly understand the repercussions of this law? I still wonder how and when the prohibition on the implementation of ex-post facto laws became the norm. Some antique violin bows are worth 10,000.00 plus and have a piece of ivory the size of a pencil eraser in them. As long as one tusk will provide a years worth of food for an African family and the Chinese see ivory as a status symbol this nonsense will do no good.

Posted by WHAT?? on 09/12/2014 at 7:18 PM

Re: “Collaring the wild

I do not believe in them I think it marks the wolf for death, they do not need our help in being managed, they do just fine on there own, its the people who are killing them that need collars !!

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Posted by Patricia Peebler on 09/12/2014 at 5:24 PM

Re: “Collaring the wild

I have read that poachers and hunters try to get collared wolves; they call it jewelry, and it is a prestigious kill among the psychopaths.
Doug Smith has himself to blame for supporting the de-listing of wolves.
Studies have shown that elk numbers actually increase in the presence of wolves (although they do disperse, meaning that killers must actually get out of their vehicles to find them); and as for the lazy welfare ranchers, we pay for their stupidity with our taxes, sending assassins to kill OUR wildlife on OUR federal lands, so they can make money on livestock with tax-supported grazing leases. And BTW, for those who love to complain about know-nothing out of staters, California has far more ranches than any other state.

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Posted by sedna101 on 09/12/2014 at 1:09 PM

Re: “Collaring the wild

Not surprising being that this is the birth place of the "shoot, shovel, shut up" people. They need higher fines and penalties on poaching. The loss of the data and things we could have learned about wolves is lost when a poacher takes an animal.

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Posted by Candy Copeland on 09/12/2014 at 11:44 AM

Re: “Collaring the wild

Wolves should be protected, not collared or "managed." Ranchers should use non-lethal deterrence.

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Posted by DavidShelllenberger on 09/11/2014 at 9:23 PM

Re: “Ivory Republican


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Posted by Darren on 09/11/2014 at 1:18 PM

Re: “Ivory Republican

no one who owns ivory will be criminized. Poeople just couldn't sell it without documentation that it is legal. seems reasonable to me to save elephants from extinction.

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Posted by elephant fan on 09/11/2014 at 11:37 AM

Re: “Collaring the wild

So is all this information supposed to justify the MASSACRE of wolves in this country by the maniacs (hunters, trappers and the FWP)???? Well its not working!!

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Posted by Cj Rolphe on 09/11/2014 at 8:33 AM

Re: “UM

Wow, I sure know where to get a degree in wasting money.…

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Posted by Greg Strandberg on 09/11/2014 at 7:52 AM

Re: “Ivory Republican

OMG this is what we can expect from Daines. Vote for Curtis.

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Posted by Marilyn on 09/11/2014 at 7:34 AM

Re: “Bagel wars on Broadway

Einsteiner bagels as i call them are a joke. No real new yawker would buy this crap...they have chewy, mushy bagels, not kosher, overpriced bagels and the restof the food is just as bad

Posted by Don Iarussi on 09/08/2014 at 9:35 PM

Re: “Smoke and mirrors

Hello Rj Dieken: I’m sort of surprised that you question whether logging is a part of Senator Tester's mandated logging bill since Senator Tester and his collaborators at the Montana Wilderness Association, Montana Trout Unlimited and the National Wildlife Federation have been unabashed in their support for the bill’s logging mandates. And the logging mandates have certainly been well-documented and debated in the Montana media over the past 5 years.

The following info is taken directly from the latest version of the bill, as found directly on Sen Tester’s website.…

As careful followers of the bill's exactly language may notice, the mandated logging ('treatment of vegetation") part of the bill has been altered. It now currently reads:

"(1) IN GENERAL.—Subject to subsection (g), on the eligible land, the Secretary shall place under contract for treatment of vegetation—

(A) on the Beaverhead-Deerlodge National Forest, a minimum of 5,000 acres annually until the date on which a total of 70,000 acres in the National Forest have been placed under contract; and 

(B) on the Kootenai National Forest— 2,000 acres during the first year after the date of enactment of this Act; (ii) 2,500 acres during the second year after the date of enactment of this Act; and (iii) 3,000 acres during each subsequent year until the date on which a total of 30,000 acres in the National Forest have been placed under contract....

(3) QUALIFIED TREATMENTS.—To meet the requirements under paragraph (1), treatments shall—

(A) reduce the density of trees in a project area or reduce hazardous fuels;
(B) be accomplished through the cutting of vegetation with mechanized equipment or by hand with a power saw; and
(C) primarily yield products that have commercial value in local markets."

Clearly someone on Tester's staff went to great lengths to spell out in great detail exactly what would take place on these 70,000 acres of the Beaverhead-Deerlodge NF and 30,000 acres on the Kootenai NF without actually using the word logging. That Tester staff gets +10 points for excellent use of obfuscation.

So, as far as the Beaverhead-Deerlodge National Forest is concerned, if the current text of Tester’s mandated logging bill were to be signed into law, that 70,000 acres could be logged in 1 year, 10 years or 15 years. 

It’s also important to keep in mind that this logging acreage mandated within Tester's Forest Jobs and Recreation Act logging bill is above and beyond the amount of logging already taking place on the BHDL NF through their normal timber sale program.

Plus it’s also worth keeping in mind that Gov Bullock and a 7 people also just nominated (with no public notice and no opportunity for public comment) over 580,000 acres of the BHDL NF for expedited ‘fast track’ logging that is except from the requirements of NEPA, as per the most recent Farm Bill.

Also, for historical comparison, it’s important to keep in mind that the
average acres logged per year for the BHDL NF from 1954-1996 was 3,213

Even during the logging heydays of the Reagan years, the average acres logged
per year on the BHDL NF was 4,613 acres/year (see:

So, as anyone can see, Tester mandating a MIMINUM of 5,000 acres of logging per year (er, I mean “cutting of vegetation with mechanized equipment or by hand with a power saw”), ON TOP OF the normal BHDL NF timber sale program, ON TOP OF the 580,000 acres of the BHDL NF that Gov Bullock and 7 hand-picked people just nominated for ‘fast track’ logging exempt from the requirements of NEPA does start to add up to what would easily be the MOST LOGGING in the HISTORY of the Beaverhead-Deerlodge National Forest.

I hope this info helps clarify. Thanks.

Posted by Matthew Koehler on 09/05/2014 at 8:36 AM

Re: “Smoke and mirrors

Matthew, i don't read logging anywhere in the text of Senator Tester's bill


can you please explain what you are talking about in reference to the actual text of this bill?

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Posted by Rj Dieken on 09/04/2014 at 8:42 PM

Re: “Finding Lucius

Sad, so sad

Posted by alf on 09/04/2014 at 2:24 PM

Re: “City life

Just another reason the city is anti-business. The city could care less as long as the affected area conforms to what ever the city wants without the input of local residents.

Posted by David on 09/04/2014 at 1:32 PM

Re: “Finding Lucius

very moving piece and very well-written. My condolences to the family.

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Posted by MissoulaWoman on 09/04/2014 at 9:32 AM

Re: “Consignment

2,500 people pinching pennies each month and looking warily toward the future. That's a sizable voting bloc.

Posted by Greg Strandberg on 09/04/2014 at 9:17 AM

Re: “Smoke and mirrors

Boy, we're in for a rough-go of it. If Congress can't even fund this then how are we ever going to stand a chance against all the catastrophes global warming will bring?

I don't know, what feels like more of a threat to you - ISIS and militants in Iraq or these millions of acres of National Forests all around us catching on fire.

How about 10 years from now?

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Posted by Greg Strandberg on 09/04/2014 at 9:07 AM

Re: “Smoke and mirrors

A few comments and observations:

According to the National Interagency Fire Center ( the year-to-date 2014  fire statistics show that 2.76 million acres has burned in the U.S. 

In 2013, a total of 3.89 million acres burned in the U.S.

The 10 year average from 2004 - 2013 was 6.19 million acres. So despite much political and media "hot air" about wildfires, the recent wildfire seasons have been below "normal." 

Also keep in mind that during the hot and dry 1930s, the U.S. saw an average of 30 million acres burn during a ten year period. 

It's also worth mentioning that much of the acreage burned this year in central Washington and central Oregon wasn't even forested, but rather was a combo of rangeland, grasses, sage and scattered trees. And around Petrius, Washington (where my dad worked as a migrant fruit picker during the late 1960s) many of the homes burned to the ground were surrounded by orchards and fields, and unfortunately many of the homeowners didn't take proper "fire wise" measures.

Regarding "fuel reduction" or "thinning."  Yes, it's very important for homeowners and communities to take steps to reduce fuels around homes and building and their immediate surroundings. 

However, the notion that Forest Service logging projects miles away from homes or communities will do anything to protect homes from wildfire isn't at all supported by the latest science or research, much of it conducted right here at the Forest Service Fire Lab in Missoula. 

The truth of the matter is that all of the big blazes occur when you have high temperatures, very low humidity and high winds. No amount of "thinning" or "fuel reduction" will have any impact on the extreme weather conditions that drive all big fires. 

Finally, a few words about Rep Daines mandated logging bill, the so-called “Restoring Healthy Forests for Healthy Communities Act.”

In Montana, it’s estimated that Rep Daines’ mandated logging bill would result in a 6 fold increase in National Forest logging across the state. However, the logging mandates contained in Daines’ bill would impact each National Forest differently. As such, it’s estimated that Daines’ bill would result in:

•  300 X’s more logging on the Helena National Forest;

•  150 X’s more logging on the Lewis and Clark National Forest;

•  30 X’s more logging on the Beaverhead-Deerlodge National Forest;

•  13 X’s more logging on the Lolo National Forest;

•  7 X’s more logging on the Gallatin National Forest;

•  6 X’s more logging on the Kootenai National Forest; and

•  4 X’s more logging on the Flathead National Forest.

(Note: Compared with 2012 National Forest timber sale volumes)

These dramatic increases in logging would be achieved by undermining America’s public lands legacy by simply having members of Congress mandate dramatic increases in industrial logging by exempting all National Forest logging sales up to 15.6 square miles in size from public input, environmental analysis and gutting the Endangered Species Act.

Rep Daines’ “Logging Without Laws” bill also has the US Congress simply closing the US Federal Court House doors, forbidding any citizen lawsuits on certain types of industrial logging projects, which is inherently undemocratic. Daines’ bill applies to all of America’s 155 National Forests, not just those National Forests in Montana.

New information also reveals that, contrary to claims by Rep Hastings and Rep Daines, rural counties throughout America would get less money for roads and schools under the Hastings/Daines mandated logging bill than what they current receive through Secure Rural Schools funding.

While Rep Daines, Senator Tester (D-MT) and the timber industry claim “gridlock” prevents National Forest logging, between 2008 and 2012 the US Forest Service sold enough logging sales in Montana and North Idaho to fill over 239,000 logging trucks, which if lined up end-to-end, would stretch for 2,048 miles.

Fortunately, as the article points out, President Obama has threatened to veto Rep Daines mandated logging bill. The battle now goes to the US Senate, which in theory should be against mandating huge increases in National Forest logging through “Logging Without Laws” and gutting the Endangered Species Act, limiting public input and environmental analysis.

However, the fact that Senator Tester has his very own mandated National Forest logging bill (the Forest Jobs and Recreation Act) already introduced in the US Senate all bets are off and basically anything can happen in the Senate.

Certainly it doesn’t help the political situation that Sen Tester, Sen Walsh and groups like the Montana Wilderness Association, National Wildlife Federation and Montana Trout Unlimited also support politicians mandating huge logging increases of our National Forests through Tester’s Forest Jobs and Recreation Act (FJRA).

In fact, Tester’s FJRA would result in the highest logging levels in the entire history of the Beaverhead-Deerlodge National Forest.

Make no mistake, both the Daines and Tester mandated logging bills would be an extreme and radical departure from over 100 years of America’s public lands legacy. Thanks.

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Posted by Matthew Koehler on 09/04/2014 at 7:55 AM

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