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Re: “The terrorists won

On one of the national news shows the other day, they interviewed a guy who said he felt he had "a patriotic duty" to see the movie. Is that and yellow magnetic ribbons on the back of our vehicle all that "patriotism" means in this country any more. ? Is that what it's degenerated into ?

Posted by alf on 12/27/2014 at 12:23 PM

Re: “Tough lessons

Way back in the day, I worked for the FS, one of the first three women on a fire crew in the St. Maries Ranger District (I was the "big" one, at a whopping 5'4", and the only one who made it through, the other two were stationed in Clarkia, and moved to the brush crew . . .) It was the last year for the Calder work center, and after we inventoried, most of the stuff was hauled off and buried! We're talking things like garden hoses, tools, chainsaws . . . They had to use up each year's "stuff" budget whether they needed it or not, or they might get a lower amount next year when they did need more . . . so went the thinking.
When the St. Maries and Avery Districts were combined, folks in the Avery District kept feeding me info. (I was writing at that point), info they weren't ALLOWED to say themselves. All our points were valid, not the least of which was that the Avery station was actually in the forest, but politics won, and now that entire forest is administered from St. Maries, outside the boundaries of the St. Joe Ranger District. The decision was a slow death sentence for the town of Avery, as well.
I found the same thing as Susan, great people, some of them very dedicated to their job - suffocating hierarchy, and politics, politics, politics at the top. I usually feel compelled to defend the folks out in the field, and blame congress (don't we all) for the rules that change with the political expediency of the times.

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Posted by Liz Codoni on 12/27/2014 at 11:04 AM

Re: “Tough lessons

They also pander to trappers and hunters!

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Posted by Cj Rolphe on 12/24/2014 at 5:02 PM

Re: “Tough lessons

I have worked with the USFS in my two private business operations, cultural resources and wilderness outfitting and I have shared many of Susan's experiences. One thing is for sure, if you "cross" an official, it will permeate throughout the whole outfit… and the grudge will go on forever.

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Posted by joe on 12/24/2014 at 2:40 PM

Re: “Tough lessons

In the interest of full disclosure, I'm ex forestry circus, but not a retiree. I bailed out after only about 12 or 15 years.

I've known the author for over 30 years, and I like and respect her immensely. She's a very smart and multi-talented woman.

My take : I absolutely despise the damn forestry circus and its institutional amorality and hypocrisy. Like virtually all federal agencies, it's morphed into little more than a facilitator and apologist for industry.

The forestry circus and BLM pander to the logging, ranching, and mineral and oil and gas industries; the Federal Aviation Administration to the airline industry; the Federal Highway Admin, to heavy "dirt" contractors; the Defense Department to the military-industrial complex; FDA to Big Pharma; and so on and on and on.

Like Susan, I remain loyal to the principles and ideals on which it was founded, but the agency has been compromised and it's lost it's way.

And BTW, I just finished reading A Hunger for High Country about a week ago. It's a darn good read. I highly recommend it.

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Posted by alf on 12/24/2014 at 1:42 PM

Re: “Christmas past

The Corps of Discovery had sustained themselves with a diet dependent upon buffalo, along with antelope, deer and a little bighorn sheep. After nearly starving to death crossing the Divide, they had to change their diet to fish, which had an adverse effect on their systems.
As for Fremont, he was a reckless, irresponsible meglamaniac bent on gaining notariety and prestige, putting his men in perilous situations, and getting totally lost at times. A number of his men sacrificed their lives in the name of his infamy.

Posted by Tim Faber on 12/24/2014 at 5:36 AM

Re: “The terrorists won

Right on.

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Posted by DBB on 12/24/2014 at 1:35 AM

Re: “Christmas past

There's no reason Lewis and Clark couldn't have eaten fish, except that they didn't like it.

Posted by Greg Strandberg on 12/18/2014 at 9:15 AM

Re: “Standing up

Go Grampa !

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Posted by alf on 12/11/2014 at 3:16 PM

Re: “The right plan

They aren't conservatives, they're reactionary extremists : BEWARE !

I wasn't aware that Montana had been annexed by Idaho and is now Idaho East. At least that's what it looks like. It appears that the "leaders" in you're legislature are certainly following Idaho's lead, stacking all the key positions within right wing ideologues; and look where it'll take you : Idaho is at or very near the bottom of the stack in virtually every category except pandering to the interests of Big Agriculture and other corporate interests. We're at or near the bottom in per-capita income, funding education, covering indigents' medical expenses, and on and on. About the only category Idaho leads the country in is the percentage of minimum wage workers (Of course, the corporations love that !).

Be careful. Idaho has had one party rule for decades, ever since Cecil Andrus left office. don't let it happen in Montana !

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Posted by alf on 12/11/2014 at 2:13 PM

Re: “The right plan

I think moderate Republicans and centrist Democrats can find a lot of common values and even more projects to work on together. I don't think it's a worthwhile project to end the future of any particular faction, though. I tend to hope for more parties, not fewer.

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Posted by Dan Brooks on 12/11/2014 at 1:54 PM

Re: “The right plan

Democrats need to welcome the moderate Republicans with open arms. The GOP doesn't care about you, but we'll not only listen to the problems you have, but we'll find ways for you to bring back successes to your district.

When it comes to the conservatives, we'll do everything to stand in their way, as they've done to you. Join us in shaming them and furthering your political future while ending theirs.

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Posted by Greg Strandberg on 12/11/2014 at 9:00 AM

Re: “Defuse the West

And now, along with the Grizzlies, the Wolves, lynx.the jumping mouse,the spotted owl, and Blackfooted Ferrets, we also now have the Sage Grouse to tie up lands because they may walk in it from time to time !!! How much is enough ???

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Posted by Arthur G. Jackson on 12/05/2014 at 11:38 AM

Re: “Defuse the West

no-name lame brain poster just refuses to even remember that it said " federal lands" now wants to backtrack and say something different. Must be named Obama.

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Posted by Tony Hill on 12/05/2014 at 4:25 AM

Re: “Defuse the West

Cretin Hill, I was referring to National Forest and BLM lands. Sorry that didn't penetrate your thick skull, but there obviously is nothing inside it anyhow.

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Posted by alf on 12/04/2014 at 3:09 PM

Re: “Truth seekers

It almost sounds to me like old Soviet-era purges.

Is it just coincidence, or are supes Apostle and Austin purging the principals in hopes of installing their cronies ? Curious minds want to know.

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Posted by alf on 12/04/2014 at 2:08 PM

Re: “Defuse the West

in response to the un-named poster lacking a completed education and drooling misinformation concerning Federal lands in other states: please do your homework before allowing your fingers to get in front of your brain.

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Posted by Tony Hill on 12/04/2014 at 2:01 PM

Re: “Defuse the West

Maybe Mr. Hill should consider moving to a state like New Jersey, Iowa, or Illinois, without either wolves or federal lands, where he wouldn't have to contend with "government thugs", or worry about any wildlife any more dangerous than perhaps an occasional fox or coyote, or maybe, at worse, the rare rabid skunk or bat.

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Posted by alf on 12/04/2014 at 1:45 PM

Re: “Defuse the West

this is what happens when government thugs insist on forcing their agenda on us...much like with the wolves we got shoved down our throats. Unfortunately we don't see the State or Federal bureaucrats...only those men & women tasked with the job of choking us with their mandates.

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Posted by Tony Hill on 12/04/2014 at 9:20 AM

Re: “Truth seekers

Very good points.

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Posted by Greg Strandberg on 12/04/2014 at 9:13 AM

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