Oh here he goes again...quoting statewide elk population figures that are misleading at best while ignoring that where wolves live, elk numbers are way down. But George knows that, he's just another liberal dimocrat with a computor and a story. Never mind the truth...he can't handel the truth.
JConrad seems to doubt that it's the left wing nut cases that have cost Montana residents millions upon millions of dollars due to over dramatizing any environmental situation, be it cutting a tree, opening a mine, or drilling an oil well.
Do accidents happen...no doubt they do. But for the harm that happens, mega amounts of growth and prosperity come to the area from allowing these industries to do what they do.
Nobody wouldn't demand the very best practices for public health and safety, but to decry whole industries as bad because of some accidents isn't in the best overall public interest.
I am an advocate for caution but also an advocate for growth and prosperity.
I won't denounce the auto industry because their cars emit fumes & gases but would expect that the best practices and engineering go into the production of cars that help reduce these fumes & gases.
Resident genius Fritman does not seem to understand that this article is about water quality whether it be from fracking or from other sources. And Mr. Hill thinks the human necessity for clean water is the domain of left wing nuts. Folks like this are what special interest polluters depend upon to elect their bought and paid for political puppets.
And it is worth noting that the fracking industry has been exempt from the Clean Water Act due to the complete corruption of a tax-supported corporate government in Washington. In other words it is "legal" for frackers to pollute groundwater, although they could face civil suits for damages which would be a legal nightmare for a private party going up against a team of corporate lawyers.
But having laws on the books that protect society may not always prevent disasters. The State Of Montana refused to enforce existing water quality laws when the cyanide heap leach industry was operating with the result being $Millions in water treatment in perpetuity paid for by the taxpayer. Pegasus Gold got it's way with our Legislature and various Governor's and made a lot of money before declaring bankruptcy including golden parachutes for those responsible while escaping any liability. The key players involved in the Pegasus scam are criminals, plain and simple. People are sitting in prison for doing much less damage.
For a university town, education is still lacking in the realm of oil/gas discovery and extraction. 99% of a frac job is water. 15% of that is ceramic (whether sand or other ceramics for the propping agents). I understand the history and bad scares of existing superfunds. I also understand the poverty index and think bumper stickers labeled"Poverty With A View" could be popular here. Over-regulate here and North Dakota will continue to prosper as their neighbors continue to suffer to make a descent living for the vast majority.
Please feel free to take possession of my allocated portion of "Pink Slime". A great expample of legal, non-nutrientive filler sold to me in a and as a food product and feel free to wash it down with well water from someone who's well has coincindentally become contaminated by chemicals and compounds of an unnkown origin near recent "Fracking " operations. Burp!
Here ya' go industry apologists. From this week's news about 50 year old wells near Poplar continuing to destroy drinking water supplies. The pitiful settlement will never replace the lost water supplies, since they will be polluted in perpetuity by brine and volatile organic compounds. Go ahead -- read it and then what kind of excuse you can spew to the Indy's readers...but like I said, Montana has a long history of industrial pollution and corporate lies about "clean" resource extraction. And needless to say, the studies on fracking pollution are stacking up every day. Dream on about how harmless it is -- till your tapwater catches on fire.
EPA, oil companies reach deal over pollution in Poplar drinking water
ARTICLE: BILLINGS — Oil companies have agreed to pay $320,000 to the northeastern Montana city of Poplar to relocate water wells and take other steps to deal with a 40 million gallon plume of pollution seeping into drinking supplies. (con'td)
Another "what if" obviously--- environistic responses to progress has this nation tied up in non -progressive attitudes. Our Nation used to be the leader in this world now at best we might be third!! Scares like this, from potential but under certified examples like this. I prefer my learning comes from Agencies we have established just for these purposes. I would refer this to come from The National Institute of Safety & Health for instance. Helen's Mr. George Ochenski has an agenda, is obviously a Democrat, and a Environmentalist at heart. I hope you know you don't have to buy what he espews.
Another temperate, solid, and scientifically accurate article by GO has, I see, drawn the usual simple-minded, ill-informed, and splenetic commentary from some of the usual dim and propagandized raging defectives.
One has to wonder at the spectacle of the inferior brain-dead exposing their ignorant ugliness in public, but asses will bray. It's what asses do.
Well, no I don't read the Environment or Science sections of the news. I prefer to get my environmental and science information from peer reviewed journals and publications. You?
Although not directly aimed at fracking on the Blackfeet... some of your 'weasel words' would indicate your direct concern for the eastern slope of Glacier National Park, since there have been many recent concerns for that beloved, albeit stolen playground. Perhaps a more timely concern might be for recently disclosed info. on the massive amounts of poisons... leeching from that 'hole' in Butte...!
A good synopsis of the current state of affairs. Do you other commenters ever read the Environment or Science sections of the news or, I have to ask, is Fox your sole source?
This article is full of mis-information and is left wing slanted at best.
But then...what else would Missoula tolerate as Missoula it'self is mostly left wing nut cases.
Wolf Torture and Execution Continues in the Northern Rockies
by James William Gibson – March 28, 2012
Montana Anti-Trapping Group Gets Death Threat for Releasing Photos
Wow! We start with the dangers of frakking and end up with people flushing prescriptions down the drain. Dammed industry! If it weren't for the on the job stress out there on the rig, roughneck wife Suzie wouldn't have to flush one of her expired scrips down the crapper!
This article is one of the most disjointed I've read in many a year.
All you guys who piled on to Tester's "Forest Jobs and Recreation Act" - I hope you now see the light. I've called him a moral and political idiot more than once. It's time to see him as a major threat to Constitutional government, peace, and the environment in general - not to mention health care (for supporting Baucuscare after campaigning against it in the primary against Morrison). Far worse than any conceivable Republican, because people still think he's a Democrat, and thus vote for him. Oh, and thanks for destroying the Green Party, so we don't have any real peace, justice, and environmental people to vote for.
And just as a tactical matter, it would have been quite sufficient to simply support state management of wolves, with affirmation of the rights of landowners and livestock owners to shoot any wolves on sight on their own land. I've lost most of the friends I ever had in the so-called "environmental movement" for supporting that. At least it preserved the Constitution, and once the wolf recovery numbers were reached, the "wolf preservationists" took the side of the predators - not particularly popular these days.
That pretty much confirms it for me: I won't be voting for Tester again. (I did, both in the primary and the general, earlier). The whole political scene is so degraded that I wouldn't vote at all except for the referenda, and even the efficacy of that is doubtable.
"America" sure seemed like a good idea. Whatever it was, it's over.
American Prospect: Wolves to the Slaughter
The reintroduction of the gray wolf to the Northern Rockies was an ecological success story—until big money, old superstitions, and politics got in the way.
By Christopher Ketcham
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Once again, so much for principle. My PORK (insert Special Interest Legislation) is good pork, period. I wonder if Tester really believes it will buy him enough votes from the other camp. Adious. If he had treated me civally and respectfully I may have felt some compassion. Actually I do a little. What a miserable choice we have to make.
I keep getting responses from our Senators and Representative Repugnant saying they are 100 % for the Keystone pipeline. All of them using the reason that the project will be “creating jobs”, I’ve responded to them all that we know the only reason that they are supporting this project is for the PAC money which comes from the Keystone Lobbyist, the notorious Grover Norquist…the same fellow who has bullied 248 Republicans, 2 Democrats into signing his pledge not to raise taxes (on the rich), if they do; they get cut off.
The only responsible way to proceed is to build a refinery in the Bakken area. The oil industry has used the excuse of not having enough refinery capacity three times in the last two decades; yet balk at building new refineries. There is no positive reason to pursue the pipeline other than the greed of the Texas Oil Cartel, who is bent on $4 dollar a gallon gas by June. They will use the reduced supply excuse and insist on the Pipeline… why not insist on a refinery.
Obama’s decision to not bend to blackmail was 100% correct! The keystone project is a temporary project at best, the risks involved outweigh the reward long term. We can cite Exxon’s debacle on the Yellowstone this past summer. If the pipeline is built with foreign steel, equipment, and for the most part labor what has the U.S. gained? Write to your Senator’s and the want-to-be Senator and tell them no pipeline, build a refinery!
This is the only way to insure that we are left with any long term jobs and a support system for the communities that have been affected by this temporary boom. It has been the same thoughout history, first the mining, logging, cattle ranching, regrets abound about how we surrcumbed to big money only to be left with long term cleanups and pollution of our land and rivers.
It seems to me too many comments begin and end with ideological platitudes instead of considering practical solutions. Obviously there are middle courses somewhere between human extinction and utter environmental destruction - which would result in extinction. In regard to the flaring, which I have seen and is an incredible waste, if running a pipeline is too expensive, why can't the gas be compressed in storage tanks and collected by truck?
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